From the webmaster: In another dip into the archives, we bring you
an interview from the Spring 1992 Troutstream, when it existed only in
print form. Enjoy!
In an unprecedented display of materialism, O.L Pulseloose
returned to
the land of the Michigamme in what
the Potawatomi would call "quirky,
fallen form," extending his right hand
over his left shoulder as if to say, "I
have gone, I have returned yet it's
still a quarter-to-six." Interviewed at
a primitive cabin near the remote
village, Gobles, Pulseloose spoke in
terse tones as he described six
months spent in North York, near
East York and York itself in the
sprawling suburbs north of Toronto.
In Ontario, the legendary professor
said he visited a gift card convention
and kibutzed directly with many of
Toronto's oldest pigeons, one of
whom was heard to comment, "I
could swear I saw
this guy in
Marin County in
the '70s,
speedreading
Norman Mailer with no
money and less initiative."
Quashing this myth while endorsing
others, Pulseloose fielded questions
with both hands as his close friend
from college, John Sununu, sat
nearby, chuckling at a line from a
Popeye cartoon that played on a
VCR as the character, Wimpy, said
to the character, Bluto: "I'll have
two hamburgers, for which I will
gladly pay you next Tuesday."
Stream: How are things in Canada?
O.L.: Nearly extinct. What passes for
humor in Canada wouldn't make it out
of rewrite down here, let alone to local
cable.
Stream: If Canada is such a dull place,
why did you stay there so long? Do you
hate yourself or something?
O.L.: I can handle myself in the
morning, in the afternoon I'm ambivalent and
at night there's severe inconsistency. I
might turn melancholy or I might turn
ancestral. It depends on the biosphere. If
the modules are right, I arch left. You can
never tell. I can't either. In Canada, it's
twice as confusing because of the French
factor. Not only can you not understand
those people, most of them fail to grasp
the impact of rap music in our culture,
particularly Tex-Mex rap, which may be
the strongest indicator of what's ahead
for all of us, black or white, rich or
famous, smoking or not smoking?
Stream: How's it feel being back in the
states?
O.L.: It feels chilly. What month is
this?
Stream: April. It's spring.
O.L.: That explains everything. They
told me it was June and I believed them.
I'm fundamentally disoriented. I thought
we were going to Wisconsin. I want to
go back to North Fond du Lac.
Stream: Aren't you a native of Michigan, of Birmingham, actually?
O.L.: I am ... but it doesn't make me
proud. Closer to the truth, I feel as if I
am of Birmingham but my real self is reflected in a broader mosiac.
Stream: Does it find its basis in an
aesthetic sense or is it embodied in antipodal
lifestyle issues?
O.L.: No, it's on the wall of a
synagogue. Actually, it seeks its own path
and gathers at the river. It's like the proverbial
will of the proverbial wisp. You
never know when it's going to rise up in
a shrilled tone or wither distinctly, like a
crow's wing in nuclear winter.
Stream: Speaking of carcasses, how do
you like Clinton's chances in the caucuses?
O.L.: Clinton's history. "Song-Gus" is
history. The Civil War is history. David
Duke is archeology. It's all in the library,
on the same shelf as A Tree Grows In
Brooklyn. And Jerry Brown, for all his
appealing radicalism, is ultimately a
demagogue ... as bad as any of them. I
long for Billy Carter.
Stream: How can you say that? Clinton
has won several primaries, he's sent
Kerrey, "Song-Us" and Harkin a message
and Pat Buchanan owns a gun. If no
one's really ahead on the Democratic
side, who's going to run against Bush?
O.L.: Everyone's looking at Ross Perot
but, shoot, I like Sen. Bill Bradley, the
Democrat from New Jersey by way of
Oxford and the New York Knicks. I have
this vision of a deadlocked Democratic
Convention turning to Bradley ... and
George Bush turning to mush.
Stream: Can anyone beat Bush?
O.L.: Bush is his own worst enemy and
everybody knows it. His insincerity
alone should be enough to take him out,
way before the convention. And he's got
big problems in Iraq ... they hate him
there.
Stream: Does a scud missile have his
name on it?
O.L.: That's unclear. Does a scrub
bristle have fizz bane on spit?
Stream: That's even less clear. And
we're asking the questions here. Please
stay with your answers.
O.L.: Well please stay on politics. I
don't care about sports anymore and I'm
getting really sick of commuting.
Stream: OK. Whatever happened to
guys who should be Democratic
frontrunners, people like Mondale,
Dukakis or Gary Hart?
O.L.: Dukakis became an actress,
Mondale's got a deal with the former
Soviet Union and Hart had what I call a
Hart Problem. He challenged the media
to track his womanizing, then he went
out and womanized and they nailed him
with it. What else can you say? The guy
was a schmuck. Still is.
Stream: How about Clinton?
O.L.: Strange behavior for a political
aspirant, heina? Directed and ambitious
to a fault, his ascent was marred,
nevertheless, by temptation and ambiguity.
Affairs, phoney ROTC overtures ... it's
inconsistent with wanting to be president.
Why he messed up I'll never know. I
know it doesn't take much to cool the
electorate's jets in a presidential primary.
Ultimately, I'm not sure any of us has
kind of background people are looking
for today. I know I don't.
Stream: Where'd you screw up?
O.L.: In graduate school. I got three
"Bs" and two "C's." It was death. My
advisor suggested I get into journalism.
Stream: Did you take his advise?
O.L.: I really got into it.
Stream: Now you're out of it. Do you
feel out of it?
O.L.: To the contrary, I feel with my
experiences in York I've come to literally
define what it means to be truly into it.
Think about it. Laurie Anderson pulls
my newsletters out of trash bins. Even
Barry Manilow bought my book on Oakland County.
Stream: How's it doing?
O.L.: The book?
Stream: No, the length of the interview.
O.L.: We're out of room.
Stream: Perfect. We're out of questions.
O.L.: Perfect, I'm out of beer. Have a
great spring!
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