From: dcopela@mail.pacifier.com (David Copeland)
Subject: methamphetamine sythesis
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:00:00 GMT
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--okay;
        All you people who want an easy meth systhesis - They don't exist! 
You have to know some chemistry. Learn some (yes it takes some discipline) 
or be doomed to fail.

        So, again, this information is posted for information purposes 
only. I accept no responsibility for anyone actually using this. If you do 
you will be subject to state and federal laws and will be subject to fines 
and/or imprisonment. If you are stupid enough to actually manufacture meth 
you WILL probably go to prison. This is the 90's.

        So to make meth from ephedrine- Using l- or pseudo ephedrine place 
1000 gms of ephedrine, 250gms of red phosphorus, and 1000ml of hydriotic 
acid in a suitable round bottom flask. Fit the flask with a reflux 
condenser and reflux the mixture for 48hrs at 120 degrees C. Add a 10% 
solution of sodium hydroxide until the Ph is 14. You should get an oil 
layer and a water layer. Separate the oil layer in a separatory funnel and 
put it a flask with 3 volumes of water. Rig the flask for distillation and 
distill the oil water mixture until the oil is mostly gone (except for 
highly colored globs of oil.) In the reciever flask there should be two 
layers, an upper oil layer and a lower water layer. Separate the oil layer 
and mix it with 10% hydrochloric acid until the Ph is 7.6. evaporate the 
water and it will crystallize into methamphetamine hcl.  
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"We have observed that mixtures containing red phosphorus, iodine and either
 concentrated HCl or glacial acetic acid do convert ephedrine to
 methamphetamine; however, when the phosphorus is omitted, methamphetamine is
 not formed. Ephedrine was reacted with red phosphorus and iodine in refluxing
 water, varying the ratios of red phosphorus and iodine; when red phosphorus
 and iodine are in excess of ephedrine in a 1:3.8:7.2 molar ratio
 (ephedrine:red phosphorus:iodine) methamphetamine is formed and the ephedrine
 is consumed in 8 hours."


Anyone have any thoughts, experience with the typical E-RP-HA when the usually
 separate step of creating the hydriotic acid is omitted and the three
 chemicals are just reacted in refluxing water.  It seems like that is what is
 being described (along with acid substitution).

         oo
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Materials:

1. 30ml bottle tincture iodine containing 2% iodine, sodium iodide 2.4%,
alcohol 47%, rest H20

2. 5 Sinustop Herbal Decongestant tablets containing 60mg crystaline
pseudoephedrine HCl each mixed with some herbal ingrediants. Or 300mg of
ephedrine obtained thru some other method.

3. 5 road flares.

4. Bottle of drain cleaner containg conc. H2SO4 

5. Bottle white distilled vinegar

6. Red devil Lye containing sodium hydroxide 

7. Spray can of brake cleaner containing 1,1,1 trichloroethylene or 1,1,1
trichloroethane ------------

Procedure:

A. Purifying pseudoephedrine:
1. Take the 5 decongestant capsules, empty their contents into a small funnel
with a coffee filter. Pour 50ml of cold water through the filter, and collect
the liquid in a small jar. 2. Add a 1/4tsp of lye to the collected liquid. You
should immediately smell the odor of ephedrine. 3. Put the resultant solution
in another small jar, and add 50ml of brake cleaner, then close the lid and
shake vigorously. Let stand so that the layers seperate. 4. Using a turkey
baster, suck up the bottom brake cleaner layer out of the jar and put it into
a
small bowl. 5. Add 50ml of vinegar and heat the resultant mixure over low heat
in a frying pan with 1/2 inch of water. Thus a water bath. Do not use a gas
stove, since the brake cleaner vapors will produce toxic phosgene if there is
contact with a flame. Instead use a hot plate or electric stove at low heat
only. 6. Heat the bowl in the water bath until no more liquid is left. At the
bottom will be a solid layer of a pseudoephedrine acetate. 

B. Preparing the red phosphorus:
1. Scrape the red phosphorus off of the caps of the 5 flares and store for
later use. You should get about 0.1g per flare. 

C. Preparing the iodine/HI solution:
1. Pour the entire bottle of the iodine tincture into a small ceramic bowl.
Heat on the above type water bath until no more alcohol is left. Let cool, put
in a small polyethylene jar, and add 0.1ml of the H2SO4 drain cleaner. Thats
about 1/4inch of liquid in the end of an eye dropper. This converts the sodium
iodide to HI. You now have a solution of iodine and HI. 2. Add the red
phosphorus, and heat bottle in a water bath until the purple iodine color goes
away.

D. The reaction:
1. Add the pseudoephedrine acetate to the solution of HI/I and phosphorus, and
heat on a water bath for 24 hours.

E: Extraction:
1. Cool the reaction solution and add 1/2tsp of lye. Take the solution and
perform steps A3-A6. 2. You will end up with methamphetamine acetate that you
can scrape from the bowl.

Congradulations! You have circumvented all of law enforcement and have greatly
contributed to the end of the "drug war". (or contributed to the outlaw of all
flares, iodine tincture, vignegar, drain cleaners, and auto store chemicals
and
coffee filters as will happen in the next year) 

Best regards, Cousin Singe


From: csc@pilot.njin.net (Sean Casey)
Subject: Re: Testing for bunk
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 00:00:00 GMT
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FAQ fodder...

If methamphetamine looks waxy or oily, it is probably contaminated
with the HI salt of meth, an oily by-product of the red-phosphorous/HI
reduction of ephedrine--the most prevalent method of clandestine
manufacture.

The HI salt is soluble in acetone, while the HCL salt is only very
slightly soluble. The HI salt could be washed out, basified, and then
precipitated with HCl gas to give methamphetmine HCL.

When completely dry, methamphetamine HCL is soluble in chloroform,
while ephedrine HCL is not. This would provide a convenient method of
separation.

[Reference: Skinner, Harry F., "Methamphetamine Synthesis Via
Hydriotic Acid/Red Phosphorous Reduction Of Ephedrine," Forensic
Science International, Vol 48, 1990, pp. 123-134]

[Provided for academic interest. Do not attempt. Etc.]

Sean
-- 
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something to be gotten rid of, but something to be danced with.''
From: josh <mjiicma@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: methamphetamine synthesis
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Guest wrote:
> 
> I'm posting this 'cause I'm sick and tired of people asking and no real
> answers.  I want some things in return.  But heres the synh.  This is
> from Space Monkey the original biker cook!
> 
> Get 22,000ml boiling flask with a condenser and mantle.  Add 5 pounds of
> l-ephedrine hydrochloride.  Pour in one gallon of hydriodic acid.  Add
> 1000 grams of red phosphorus.
> 
> Crank up the mantle and let it boil for 13 hours.  Now think for a
> minute:  Take the output off the top of the condenser, put a check valve
> in line with a long piece of tygon tubing and bubble the output of the
> tube through a bucket of water outside where you are cooking.  That way
> there is no accumulation of hydrogen in the house to blow you to
> he-double toothpicks.
> 
> Now that the 13 hours are up, turn off the mantle, but let the condenser
> run until the flask is cool enough to pick up.
> 
> During this 13 hours of cooking, you have made a strong lye solution.
> Now fill a big carboy with spigot about a third of the way with clear
> ice from the liquor store (it is made with distilled water [duh]).  Pour
> the lye solution over the ice.
> 
> Now pour the contents of the boiling flask into the ice/lye filled
> carbouy and agitate.
> 
> An oil layer will seperate on top.  This is methamphetamine free-base.
> 
> Discard the water layer, save the oil
> 
> Put the oil in beaker so you know how much you have.
> 
> Now add equal parts of VERY hot water and oil in a seperatory funnel and
> shake for a couple of minutes.
> 
> Put the sep funnel in a ring stand and let it sit for about 10 minutes
> till the crap falls out of the oil into the water.  Discard the water.
> Keep doing this until the oil clean.
> 
> Now start adding Hydrochloric acid to the oil.  It will take lots at
> first.  Keep testing with pH test papers.
> When it starts to change, add the acid in little bits, cause just a
> little too much will push the ph the wrong way...
> 
> Perfect pH is 7
> 
> Now you have a mixture of pure methamphetamine in water.
> 
> Put the whole thing in an electric oven at the lowest setting and let
> sit till dry.
> 
> It will be yellow.  Now put it in a jar with acetone and shake it up,
> this will get rid of the yellow.
> 
> You will have 5 + pounds of absolutely pure meth.
> 
> Popeye, elusis, Yogi read it and agree!
> 
> Now my questions that you who will use this owe me for having the balls
> to post it:
> 
> 1)  I tried this with iodine/red phosphorus/distilled water in
> proportions found on the lycaeum home page.  I also used pseudoephedrine
> extracted from white 60mg tabs.  I extracted with distilled water,
> filtered till clear and let dry.
> 
> What I got when I added the boiled product to the lye was a suspension
> of red phosphorus globules that did not float or sink.  It smelled like
> meth, but I know better.  If it had worked, I would have gotten an oil.
> 
> What happened?
> 
> 2)  Post this new epenephrine synth I hear people talking about
> 
> 3)  I hear that oxymethazoline HCL can be made into something like
> meth.  Post it
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Elusis, popeye where are you?"

this is close to the synthesis ive seen used. and pseudoephedrine works
real well, giving a very good product. but the tabs that were being used
were 30mg thins very much like the 25mg ephedrine thins that everyone
else in the us was using to make CAT. but about the time that ephedrine
became impossible to get the 30mg sudafed thins disappeared too..being
replaced by 60mg thicks..these were loaded with gummy binder that is
impossible to get rid of. when this stuff was boiled in HI acid it
turned into a dark red sludge which kind of was thicker on the top just
like what you are describing.....i have been told that the 4th ed of
Secrets of Meth Manufacture has a way of removing the binder out of
these tabs. but i haven't bought it hoping that someone might post the
route for this extraction method. if you run accross it or get told of
it post it. i will do the same for the group if i find it.
                                                                josh
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> >a little.   This is from memory...I don't have my notes with me...so if I
> >get it wrong I will post it later..I did the calculation for making 340mL
> >HI first so to make 3.5 molar soln it's around 150g of I2...and about 12g
> >of P4 then brought to volume.  I THINK  this is from memory.  Then he
> >calls for 40g of P4 added as a catalyst.   This is the same as having
> 
> Well, it isn't a "catalyst". When it is used in this set of reactions,
> it is used up, producing phosphorus acid.
> 


Not all P4 is used up.  There must be an "excess" amount of P4 to drive
the reaction.   Therfore P4 acts as a catalyst.



1 Ephedrine HCL + 1/2 I2 ----> 1 I- sustituted "Ephedrine" HCL + 1 OH-
    150g            94.44g                   231.80g             12.64g

1 I-sub "Ephedrine HCl"  +  H+ ----->  1 Methamphetamine HCL  +  1/2 I2
    231.8g                 0.74g              138.12g              94.44g


The excess P4 reacts with the liberated I2 to make more HI acid.

   If The calculatins are incorrect let me know

mole amounts used:

Ephedrine HCl = 201.64g
Methamphetamine HCL = 185.64g


just trying to help

tweaker
From: egendorf@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Robert  Egendorf)
Subject: PPA to meth?  Please Comment
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Uncle Fester's Secrets of Methamphetamine Manufacture describes a 
procedure for producing methamphetamine via the reduction of 
pseudoephedrine or ephedrine with HI and red phosphorus.  Fester's 
reduction uses red phosphorus and iodine to form the HI used in the 
reaction.  This is a well known reaction and has appeared in print in:

        Skinner, HF "Methamphetamine Synthesis via Hydroidic Acid/ Red 
Phosphorus Reduction of Ephedrine", Forensic Science International 48 
(1990): 123-124

Ephedrine and Psuedoephedrine reduce to methamphetamine; PPA reduces to 
amphetamine.

Instead of making the HI via red phosphorus and iodine, let's consider 
forming it via DMSO, H2SO4, and NaI or KI.  This is an extension of 
Vogel's Practical Organic Textbook's reaction for making HBr.  The same 
one appeared in Pugsley's Bromosafrole preparation.  Accordingly:

334g KI or 300g NaI (2M amount) + 400ml distilled water are mixed and 
cooled in an ice bath.  180ml H2SO4 (sulfuric acid) is added dropwise so 
that the temperature stays below 75C.  
As a side note, DMT or HMPT can be used instead of DMSO.  However, for this 
discussion, DMSO is necessary.

Now that the HI is formed from DMSO, the reduction of PPA is continued 
according to Fester:
150g PPA HCl + 40g Red Phosphorus + 340ml HI (made from DMSO) are mixed 
together in a 1000ml flat bottom (round bottoms require oil baths for 
heat).  This solution is refluxed for 1 day, at least.  Make the solution 
basic via NaOH (lye) to bring out the free base.  Extract out the 
freebase and convert to the hydrochloride.

 Normally, PPA reduced with HI will form amphetamine.  However, it is 
rumored that the DMSO will aid in methylenating the PPA.  In other words, 
the PPA is reduced via the HI and as a side reaction is methylenated by 
the DMSO.  This will theoretically yield methamphetamine 

For further information about DMSO, consult Fieser and Fieser "Reagents 
in Organic Synthesis."  

Supposedly, very little of the Iodine dissolves in the DMSO, but a lot of 
it reacts without the whole mass dissolving first.  Could the "extra" 
DMSO be used to methylenate the PPA?

Is this a viable mmethod of producing methamphetamine from PPA?

Any thoughts or ideas are greatly appreciated.



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This is posted for info only.  DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS SYNTHESIS.
DO NOT DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL.
With that in mind, let's talk about speed syntheses.

1.  Red phosphorus and HI.  450ml of 57% HI, 160g of l-ephedrine
or d-pseudoephedrine, and 25g of red phosphorus are refluxed for
at least 32 hours.  The ratio for the HI and the ephedrine are:
2 parts Iodine, 1 part Ephedrine, 1/2 part red phos.  The red
phos in this ratio is used to synthesize the HI.  For example,
320g Iodine:160g Ephedrine:80g red phos.  The Iodine is insitu
or in dH2O.  A flat bottom flask is nestled in an ice bath with
stirring and contains 400ml dH2O (Is this correct?) and 320g of
Iodine.  The red phos is added SLOWLY and a lot of heat is given
off.  Allow the solution to react for about 20 minutes.  Remove
the ice bath and place the flask on a heating mantle.  Attach a
condensor and boil under reflux for about 36 hours.  Remove the
heating mantle and allow cool water to continue to flow through
the condensor for about an hour.  Pour the red solution through
a series of doubled up coffee filters to remove the red phos for
later use.  Dilute the solution with an equal volume of
distilled water.  Prepare a dilute lye solution by dissolving
lye pellets (RED DEVIL LYE) in dH2O.  Liberate the freebase
crank oil by adding the lye solution.  The crank oil should
float on top of the solution, which should be strongly basic.
Extract the crank oil with Toluene.  Bubble HCl gas through to
form the salt.  Wash the crystals with acetone and spread out on
a plate to dry.

Now this method may produce a somewhat crude product.  There may
be some unreacted iodoephedrine.  This may be rectified by
recrystalization.  Dissolve the crystals in hot ethyl alcohol
and tartaric acid.  This will separate the d-isomer of
methamphetamine from any impurities.

I believe that the theory behind this reaction is that red
phosphorus reacts with Iodine to form PI3 - Phosphorus
Triiodide.  The PI3 and water form phosphorus acid and HI.  The
HI absorbs the hydrogen atom of the ephedrine.  It is
dehydrating the benzyl alcohol.  The red phosphorus (the 25g in
this reaction) acts as a recycler for the HI.

Journal Article: Topics in Forensic Science International.
Skinner wrote an article detailing this procedure.

Sources:
Red phosphorus: Grind up some flare caps, boil in dH2O, filter
and save the filter cake
Iodine: Buy some bottles of Iodine at the drugstore.  Either set
up a double boiler with a metal plate on top to catch the vapors
or dry it with a little sulfuric acid (drain cleaner)
Lye: Red Devil Lye at the hardware store
Toluene: Hardware Store
Tartaric Acid: Cream of Tartar

Questions:
1.  Phosphorus acid, Phosphoric acid, and Hypophosphoric acid
are available commercially.  Phosphoric acid is available in the
building materials section of Home Depot.  How could these be
used in the reduction and how would they affect the numbers?

2.  This is probably from a bullshit recipe, but could
TripleSuperPhosphate be used in place of the red phos catalyst?
There was mention of a recipe that used 150 parts Iodine:30
parts TripleSuperPhosphate:20g of Aluminum.  The Iodine is not
in water, but in phosphoric acid.  Could phosphoric acid react
with Iodine to form HI?  Phosphoric acid contains water.  In the
Merck, Aluminum is said to react with a dilute acid to evolve
into hydrogen.  Could the hydrogen that is evolved from the Al
react with Iodine?  Not having tried this - it would be illegal
- I am not sure about what is happening in the reaction.  How
would the phosphoric acid react with the TripleSuperPhosphate?
If this is a valid method of producing HI, could AlI3 be used -
Aluminum Iodine?

3.  Instead of forming the HI from red phosphorus and iodine, it
can be synthesized from DMSO, sulfuric acid, and either Sodium
Iodine or Potassium Iodine.  In an ice bath with stirring, a 2M
amount of NaI or KI is dissolved in 400ml anhydrous DMSO.  180ml
of sulfuric acid are added.  In theory, this should be anhydrous
HI.  Now, how would the ratio of 450ml HI + 160g Ephedrine + 25g
red phos ratio be adjusted?  There is also a rumor that because
dimethyl sulfate is a methylating agent, PPA (Dexatrim) can be
reduced to methamphetamine instead of benzedrine.  I would
assume that the PPA would have to be dissolved in the DMSO
before the HI is formed.  Any thoughts?

This was posted out of academic interest only.  Do not do
anything illegal.

Posted from the city so nice they named it West Philadelphia.







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In article <873861819.15900@dejanews.com> iodosafrole@hotmail.com writes:
>This is posted for info only.  DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS SYNTHESIS.
>DO NOT DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL.

No problemo, just relocate your lab to a friendly jurisdiction like the
lost continent of Mu or somewhere.:)

>1.  Red phosphorus and HI.  450ml of 57% HI, 160g of l-ephedrine
>or d-pseudoephedrine, and 25g of red phosphorus are refluxed for
>at least 32 hours.  The ratio for the HI and the ephedrine are:
>2 parts Iodine, 1 part Ephedrine, 1/2 part red phos.  The red
>phos in this ratio is used to synthesize the HI.  For example,
>320g Iodine:160g Ephedrine:80g red phos.  The Iodine is insitu

It may be possible to get away with a small amount of iodine, since
it is recycled in the reaction unless the reduction of iodoamphetamine
by HI is the rate-limiting step.

>the condensor for about an hour.  Pour the red solution through
>a series of doubled up coffee filters to remove the red phos for
>later use.  Dilute the solution with an equal volume of
>distilled water.  Prepare a dilute lye solution by dissolving

The dilution step is unwise.  It only makes the extraction harder,
requiring larget volumes of solvent.

>lye pellets (RED DEVIL LYE) in dH2O.  Liberate the freebase
>crank oil by adding the lye solution.  The crank oil should
>float on top of the solution, which should be strongly basic.
>Extract the crank oil with Toluene.  Bubble HCl gas through to
>form the salt.  Wash the crystals with acetone and spread out on
>a plate to dry.

Or extract with ether which is then rotovapped off for recovery, and 
recrystallize the product from a mildly acidic aqueous solution.
Recrystallization, if done properly is a powerful purificatory tool
and a technique that everyone should know.  It's also pretty to watch.

>I believe that the theory behind this reaction is that red
>phosphorus reacts with Iodine to form PI3 - Phosphorus
>Triiodide.  The PI3 and water form phosphorus acid and HI.  The
>HI absorbs the hydrogen atom of the ephedrine.  It is

That would be the oxygen atom. 

>Red phosphorus: Grind up some flare caps, boil in dH2O, filter
>and save the filter cake

There is also a rather involved process by which bone meal can be heated
with charcoal to produce white phosphorus vapor that can be condensed
for conversion to red phosphorus.  This is technically demanding
however, and probably not worth the trouble under normal circumstances.
On the other hand, abnormal circumstances are the daily bread of the
speedchef.
>Iodine: Buy some bottles of Iodine at the drugstore.  Either set

There is a camping water purification treatment that uses crystalline
iodine that is much more practical in cases where bulk iodine is
unavailable.

>Tartaric Acid: Cream of Tartar

For stereospecific crystallization, you will need enantiomerically pure
tartaric acid.  Cream of tartar is not pure in this fashion.

>1.  Phosphorus acid, Phosphoric acid, and Hypophosphoric acid
>are available commercially.  Phosphoric acid is available in the
>building materials section of Home Depot.  How could these be
>used in the reduction and how would they affect the numbers?

They could be used for polishing any metal piping used in your
apparatus.  As reducing agents, they are utterly useless.  They are
the end product of the red phosphorus reduction, the ashes of the
reaction.

>2.  This is probably from a bullshit recipe, but could
>TripleSuperPhosphate be used in place of the red phos catalyst?

No, see above.

>There was mention of a recipe that used 150 parts Iodine:30
>parts TripleSuperPhosphate:20g of Aluminum.  The Iodine is not
>in water, but in phosphoric acid.  Could phosphoric acid react
{Deletia}
>into hydrogen.  Could the hydrogen that is evolved from the Al
>If this is a valid method of producing HI, could AlI3 be used -

This may not be entirely bogus.  If the phosphoric acid is left out,
iodine attacks aluminum metal to form the halide.  Now, AlI3 may
seem like a dead end, but it must be remembered that aluminum
halides vigorously hydrolize to form the hydrohalic acid and
aluminum hudroxide/oxide/dissolved ion species.  Worth looking into.

>3.  Instead of forming the HI from red phosphorus and iodine, it
>can be synthesized from DMSO, sulfuric acid, and either Sodium
>Iodine or Potassium Iodine.  In an ice bath with stirring, a 2M
{Deletia}
>HI.  Now, how would the ratio of 450ml HI + 160g Ephedrine + 25g
>red phos ratio be adjusted?  There is also a rumor that because

THat depends on the concentration of the HI in the DMSO.  This
can be calculated from the amounts in your original post and has 
been left as an exercise.

>dimethyl sulfate is a methylating agent, PPA (Dexatrim) can be
>reduced to methamphetamine instead of benzedrine.  I would
>assume that the PPA would have to be dissolved in the DMSO
>before the HI is formed.  Any thoughts?

There is a sizable difference between DMSO and dimethyl sulphate.
Without careful control, dimethylamphetamine would be a serious
problem as an undesired product.  Also, there are less toxic and
more readily available methods for methylating amines.  Given the
ready avalability of pseudoephedrine, this step is not needed.
                                        Justified and Ancient,

                                        James
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passion=life

