From: jkenner@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Jason Kennerly)
Subject: Re: Meth Snyth Questions
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 1995 00:00:00 GMT
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Yet another stupid methamphetamine synthesis idea...
this time by me.

It seems the holy grail in meth synthesis is to be a cheap bastard, not 
stink up the neighboorhood, corode the sewers to bad or blow your 
apartment complex up.

Because methamphetamine is actualy one of the "trivial" organic 
synthesises, most alt.drugs.* posts have focused on the easiest way to 
make it. It looks like a truly interesting drug to bad that it doesnt do 
shit for me huh... closest I can come is a mix of taurine + vivarin... 
formetntioned substance puts yours truly to sleep... ANYWAYS ON WITH THE 
SHOW.

ETHYL ETHER TIME! this method uses ether. Dont fuck with ether its bad 
for you. This method is totally hypothetical and submitted for criticism 
only.

Is it possible to use HBr + Zinc Bromide in aqeuous solution to make 
beta-bromo-methamphetamine from pseudephedrine or ephedrine? Everything I 
have read suggests that will be something that will pull off without a 
hitch in the world.

If it is, why not then add this magical substance to ether then make the 
grignard. Then, slow-like so as not to disturb anything, add water (!) 
producing magnesium salts and the hydrocarbon, which incidently happens 
to be methamphetamine.

Its not as simple as the RedP+I2 method, but I dont think phosphorus (or 
iodine) make great contaminents for a drug that speeds you up anyways... 
hell those alone will make you into s skinny hyperthyroid mess wont they? 
Combine it with meth and you can see its a quick road to hell if they get 
in the mix...

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Iodine can be recovered from any iodine salt by simply adding H2SO4. 
It'll produce HI, but only for a split second... the H2SO4 promptly 
oxidizes it to I2... hell making HBr with H2SO4 if you aren't specially 
careful you may see some bromine ... 

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From: eleusis@netcom.com (Eleusis)
Subject: Re: Meth Snyth Questions
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 1995 00:00:00 GMT
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In article <402vpu$p59@cello.gina.calstate.edu>,
   jkenner@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Jason Kennerly) wrote:

>Is it possible to use HBr + Zinc Bromide in aqeuous solution to make 
>beta-bromo-methamphetamine from pseudephedrine or ephedrine? Everything I 
>have read suggests that will be something that will pull off without a 
>hitch in the world.

If not this exact combination, something very similar. The bromide would be 
an excellent choice, it seems though. I am not sure about the aq. 
conditions, but, I'm also not sure what today's date is...


>If it is, why not then add this magical substance to ether then make the 
>grignard. Then, slow-like so as not to disturb anything, add water (!) 
>producing magnesium salts and the hydrocarbon, which incidently happens 
>to be methamphetamine.

My god, this is *fucking brilliant*. Of course, Grignard reactions aren't 
exactly suited to mass production, but what a nice, clean product one would 
get. 


>Its not as simple as the RedP+I2 method

Not as simple???? Are you nuts? This would be a piece o' cake, as long as 
everything stayed nice and anhydrous in the beginning. Also, points for the 
reduced toxicity of byproducts. Magnesium salts might give you the shits or 
something, but there not going to earn you the nickname "Goiter Joe".



>---
>
>Iodine can be recovered from any iodine salt by simply adding H2SO4. 
>It'll produce HI, but only for a split second... the H2SO4 promptly 
>oxidizes it to I2... hell making HBr with H2SO4 if you aren't specially 
>careful you may see some bromine ... 

Yep... might I add that to recover the halide instead of rearranging the 
haloacid, you need to use full strength H2SO4 on the salt, perhaps 
pre-wetted with a little HCl. Theoretically, there would be an equivalence 
point between water and H2SO4 that would allow you to easily convert an 
XI + HY to HI + XY, or you could just use phosphoric acid instead of 
sulfuric (was it you that suggested that?).


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From: dmurphy3@aol.com (DMurphy3)
Subject: Re: Meth Snyth Questions
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 00:00:00 GMT
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The zinc method gives very poor yields is the only bad point. Refs
supplied if requested.
Cheers, 
D
From: jkenner@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Jason Kennerly)
Subject: Brominated Ephedrine
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 00:00:00 GMT
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On Tue, 29 Aug 1995, [deleted] wrote [to me in email]:

> Dear Sir
>  Would you be so kind as to e-mail me a detailed description of the brominated
> ephedrine method of synthesizing methamphetamine. Thanx and Cherio!

Method, no. The idea I proposed was to prepare HBr acid [see elusis's 
file] in aqueous solution, add Ephedrine base (or HBr?) and zinc bromide 
[or a small amount of zinc to FORM zinc bromide] as catalyst, to form 
bromomethamphetamine. This reaction would take place faster than the 
coresponding reaction with HCl. 

HI + ZnI may very well proceed straight to methamphetamine given HI's 
aptitude for attacking iodated hydrocarbons.

The bromomethamphetamine would be disolved in anhydrous ethyl ether, then 
powdered magnesium would be added, hopefully forming the grignard. To 
this water is added slowly to form methamphetamine and various magnesium 
salts..

I've never seen it tried and the NH2+ may cause aproblem with forming the 
grignard. It's just an idea.

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[ NOTE: See http://www.hyperreal.org/drugs/synthesis/meth.synth.faq for
  response to this idea ]


