“Come Let us Reason Together”

An Invitation to Pretrib Advocates

 

 

A. The Major Concerns of Pretrib believers:  The Pretribber clings to his position because he honestly believes that this is the only position that can harmonize a number of Biblical factors:

 

1. Scriptures that demand present and constant readiness

2. Scriptures that deny knowledge of a coming in contrast to scriptures that

    clearly set forth preceding events to a coming. – Hence two comings, one that

    is unknown and one that is clearly made known by preceding events.

3. Scriptures that seemingly demand imminence of His coming

4. Scriptures that demand a change of focus from the church to Israel

5. Scriptures that speak of a coming “for” saints and others that speak of coming

    “with” saints.

6. The impact of such a coming as an incentive for holy living

7. Scriptures that demand that saints are not appointed to wrath

 

     This list is not exhaustive but it does represent the major concerns of the Pretrib advocate and why he clings to his position. He honestly wants to embrace something that can harmonize with all of the above and the Pretrib position seems to do just that. Finally, this position is the most popular position among evangelicals.

 

B. The Posttrib response to these concerns: In addition to all the above concerns of the Pretribber, the Posttribber also is concerned that a Biblical position must not contradict any prophetic teachings of the Scripture. That is, any position with an emphasis that contradicts and denies the very essence of Biblical prophecy cannot be acceptable. The essence and heart of the Pretrib position is that it demands that NOTHING MUST precede the coming of Christ. However, it is a very simple task to illustrate from Acts chapter one to Acts chapter twenty-eight that the scriptures are full of necessary preceding predictions to the coming of Christ. The book of Acts is just the beginning where a list of necessary preceding prophecies are to be found.

    The Posttrib advocate demands that the true Biblical position must harmonize not only with all six Pretrib concerns but with necessary predictive prophecy as well.  The Posttrib position can easily harmonize with all seven concerns. For example:

 

1. Scriptures that demand present and constant readiness:  Acts 1:6-7 clearly demonstrates that the precise time of the  Posttrib kingdom coming is presently UNKNOWN to all but the Father. To prove this is simple. Please tell me the exact day and hour when any of those “things” that announce His kingdom coming will occur????  You cannot tell me can you?  Let me ask another question. Can holiness be put on and off like a coat?  No, holiness is a maturing PROCESS. A person cannot wait until certain things begin to start being holy and prepared for His coming. The fact that none know when such things will begin is in itself a motivating factor to practice holiness now with the intent to be ready when such things do begin. Peter teaches clearly that Posttrib expectations can be used as incentives for present readiness and holiness (see 2 Pet. 3:12-14). He points the believers past the tribulation, past the millennial reign to the new “heaven” and new “earth” and exhorts them to live holy lives in expectation of that new creation to come.  What about death?  Surely, the imminence of death should be enough of an incentive to practice holiness now without inventing a view of eschatology to do so?

 

2. Scriptures that deny knowledge of a coming in contrast to scriptures that

    clearly set forth preceding events to a coming. – Hence two comings,

    one that  is unknown and one that is clearly made known by preceding

    events.

 

     However, as already pointed out, Acts 1:6-7 characterizes the time of the Posttrib coming as an unknown to all but the Father. Moreover, when Matthew 24:36 is considered in its context it is clear that it too refers to the coming just described in the verses that immediately precede it (vv. 29-33).  The point of these verses is not that His coming is to be UNKNOWN ALWAYS but rather it is unknown PRESENTLY. It remains unknown until certain events announce it. Hence, there is no basis for inventing another coming by using this text as Acts 1:6-7 demonstrates so clearly.

 

3. Scriptures that seemingly demand imminence of His coming. The key to understanding such language is found in the parable of the “fig tree” and “all the trees.”  This parable clearly teaches that it is the FOCUS POINT of His coming that is uncertain and impending. By FOCUS POINT we mean what we are directed to be LOOKING for. This parable demands that the FOCUS POINT for the coming of summer is the sight of trees budding and green foliage appearing. If you are looking for the coming of summer, Jesus demands that your FOCUS POINT be upon these things.  Then, the Lord applies this to His own coming which is unknown to all but the Father (Acts 1:6-7 with Mt. 24:36).  He says “SO LIKEWISE ye, when ye SEE THESE THINGS begin to come to pass KNOW that it is nigh even at the doors.”   The words “so likewise” means that we are to apply the point of his nature illustration in regard to watching for summer to watching for His coming. Just as the FOCUS POINT for the coming of summer is the budding and green foliage SO LIKEWISE the FOCUS POINT for His coming is the beginning of “these things.”  In other words, you cannot watch or be looking for the coming of summer if your not watching or looking FIRST for that which announces its coming. SO LIKEWISE, you cannot be looking for His coming if you are not FIRST watching or looking for “these things” which announce the time of His coming. This parable defines the FOCAL POINT of His coming and it is this FOCAL POINT that is unknown and impending. It is this FOCAL POINT that the rest of the parables in the Olivet Discourse refer to as unknown and impending.

     Furthermore, the terms “looking for” and “watch” do not mean something may occur at any second. Peter clearly demonstrates this when he uses these terms in regard to the Posttribulational, Postmillennial new heaven and earth (2 Pet. 3:12-14).  The simple fact of the matter is that we presently do not know when “these things” will begin and therefore we cannot know the time of His coming until they do begin. Since they are unknown, it behooves us to be ever watching and looking and ready as we know not the hour.

    The Apostle Peter warns against “scoffers” that will arise in the “last days” who will scoff at the “promise of His coming” due to the fact that long periods of time have lapsed between His departure and their day. They scoff because the language of His promise does not harmonize with the fact that a long period of time has come and gone and yet no Christ.  Peter warns Christians not to be so ignorant as to count or reckon the “promise” according to how men count such terms. In other words, “quickly” and “is at hand” and other such language of his coming is not to be understood as men reckon such terms. Men reckon such terms as terms of imminence. However, Peter says for Christians to do so is ignorance (2 Pet. 3:8-9). God counts this promise as in terms of DIVINE IMMINENCE and divine imminence sees a “THOUSAND YEARS” as but one day. Hence, with the Lord it has only been TWO DAYS since the promise has been made. The point Peter is making is that His coming cannot be considered in terms of human imminence or it would make Christ a liar and the scoffers would be correct. Of all people, Peter knew that Christ could not come at any second because Christ bluntly told him that he would grow old and die before His coming. For Peter to teach Pretribbism would be to make Christ a false prophet.

     Some argue that the metaphor of Christ coming “like a thief” demands human imminence or any secondism. However, it should be noted that this metaphor is ALWAYS used in contexts where saints are described as NOT LOOKING for His coming and NEVER in contexts where the saints are looking and watching. Indeed, Paul denies that Christ will come like a “thief” upon those watching (I Thes. 5:4). 

 

4. Scriptures that demand a change of focus from the church to Israel: The New Testament says that the “church” was a “mystery” previously hidden in the Old Testament (Eph. 3:1-5). Therefore, you should not expect any explicit mention of it in Old Testament prophecies concerning the coming of Christ.  However, it is wrong to suggest that both Israel and the church cannot be on earth at the same time. The church overlapped with Israel until 70 A.D. a period of 40 years and therefore it can easily overlap again for a period of 7 years at the end of the age.  The book of Matthew knows of only two ages (Mt. 12) and the church is said to be present on earth until the end of this “age” (Mt. 28:20). The absence of the term “church” in Revelation 4-21 does not keep Pretribbers from finding it in chapters 4,18,19 or 21 and therefore why should it be a problem in any of the other chapters. The term “church” is not found in Revelation where there are visions in heaven. The most likely reason that this term is not found in these chapters is simply because it is a time of tribulation and in such times the churches have met secretly as abundance of historical records from the Dark Ages will show. The term “church” refers to a PUBLIC assembly.

 

5. Scriptures that speak of a coming “for” saints and others that speak of

     coming  “with” saints.

 

    This is the easiest argument to reconcile with the Posttrib coming of Christ. Indeed, I Thessalonians 4:13-17 demands that Christ comes FIRST “with” the departed saints FOR those that are alive. Hence, what is supposed to be the chief proof text for Pretribbism demands that ONE coming is both WITH the saints and FOR the saints.  Besides, how can I Thessalonians 3:13-17 be used for a Pretrib SECRET coming????  There is a “GREAT SOUND” of a trumpet and a “SHOUT” and the emptying of graveyards that occur first. Is God using a dog whistle for a trumpet and will people on earth be both deaf and blind?

 

6. The impact of such a coming as an incentive for holy living: Fear is a good incentive. However, it would seem that the fear of death and the possibility of dying and coming into the presence of God would be a sufficient incentive without creating another theory of His coming.  If such a coming is necessary for holy living, then, were Old Testament saints without such an incentive?

    The Posttrib position gives a much better and more scriptural incentive for holy living. For example, when are you closer to God? When trouble and tribulation is threatening or when things are going good?  The Bible says that “tribulation worketh….” (Rom. 5:3-5).  Every trial we now experience is matures us and prepares uf for great trials to come and for greater usefulness.

 

7. Scriptures that demand that saints are not appointed to wrath: All such scriptures when considered in their context MAY be easily applied to ETERNAL WRATH rather than TEMPORAL wrath. Usually the context refers to the doctrine of justification and the cross. Shouldn’t we make a difference between “tribulation” and “wrath”?  If saints are not appointed to tribulation then why does the New Testament continuously repeat that we are appointed to tribulation (James 1:2; Jn. 16:30; I Pet. 4:12; Rom. 5:3-5; etc.)?  Pretribbers believe that saints will be in the 70th week and some will survive it. If saints are not appointed unto tribulation are these INFERIOR saints. When the time for rewards are given out, why then, are these tribulation saints given the preeminence (Rev. 20:4) IF they are an INFERIOR class of saint appointed to wrath? Either saints are or are not appointed unto wrath.  If they are not, then neither are those in the Tribulation. The Pretribber fails to make a distinction between the “wrath” of God and the “tribulation” upon saints by the world. In the 70th week of Daniel the Great Tribulation refers to the wrath of the Antichrist, the Great Harlot and the world. Saints are in the Great Tribulation and therefore are appointed to tribulation as have been all saints in all ages.  Furthermore, Revelation 9:20-21 and Revelation 16:1-14,16-17 clearly show that the trumpets and vials are for the wicked only and not for the saints.  None of the Gentile saints in Revelation are sealed in the forehead and yet many survive it (Mt. 25:31-44; Rev. 7:9-14). It seems to me that just like in Egypt, God is able separate His people from the Egyptians.

 

 

CONCLUSION: None of the above concerns contradict the Posttrib coming of Christ in the least. However, the Pretrib position violates the scriptures terribly. The Bible never uses a plural “comings” or any other plural to describe the coming of Christ (revelation, appearance, coming, etc). If there were two comings then such a plural should be found somewhere? To argue that there are not two comings but only two “phases” is absurdly ridiculous. If you left your house got in your car and went to church but didn’t go in, merely picked someone up and returned to your house and then seven days later left your house and got in your car and went into the church would that be TWO COMINGS to church or only TWO PHASES of one coming to church?   The essence of the Pretrib teaching contradicts and denies multitudes of necessary preceding prophetic events. Another thought to ponder – Jesus spends a whole sermon teaching His disciples not to “fear” such things but rather to embrace them with joy and expectation (Lk. 21:28).  Why then do Pretribbers constantly present the same things in the context of FEAR and DREAD and hope of escape???????

     Look at the other articles on this page and reconsider your position in the light of God’s Word and a balanced position that harmonizes necessary preceding prophecies and constant readiness.

 

 

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