Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:40:53 -1000
From: Hope Greenberg
Subject: H-COST: Tudor resources and questions

I'm so glad the Tudor topic has come up because I'm tackling one once again. 20 years ago I made a "10 paces" Tudor that my daughter now wears--it's held up OK. But now I want to take the time to do it right. I've looked though the standard print references, both historic and theatre, including Hunnisett and Arnold (although hers is a bit late--I'm focusing in on 1530s), as well as several web sites. But I want to approach this with a fresh perspective--the recent postings on sleeves have been invaluable.

So, I'm building an image resource page.
(http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor)

At the moment I have one major question that I'm hoping this group can
answer:
What the heck is that white thing??!!

On many of the images there is a white band of cloth that runs alongside the bodice. It looks too narrow to be a shawl, and in some cases looks like it's part of the garment. Help!!

- Hope

P.S. On the question of shoulder seams: there is one quite visible in a sketch by Holbein of Elizabeth Dauncey.
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:43:31 -1000
From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows
Subject: H-COST: the white thing

The white thing is a harness for holding up the train. There's one strap on each side of the bodice. Further down, usually out of the picture, the thing has a clip on each side. There's a large repro of a full length Holbein of a lady wearing one in Norah Lofts's book Anne Boleyn, on page 114. The original is listed as being in the Ashmolian Museum, Oxford.
There's a smaller repro of the same Holbein in 20,000 Years of Fashion (second edition on page 234, ill. #483. A book of Holbein sketches might also have one.
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:08:54 -1000 (HST)
To: [email protected]

> -Poster: [email protected]
>
> The sleeves are attached OVER the "shoulder part' of the gown. in other words,
> if you looked on the inside of the dress, you would see the shoulder area. I
> know, it's odd for us today, but sewing was very different before the sewing
> machine and the right sides to right side mentality. mela



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