Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:12:25 -1000
From: Kate Pinner
To: ella lynoure rajamaki
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: H-COST: ionic chiton question
-Poster: Kate Pinner
Ella Lynoure Rajamaki wrote:
>
> I have way too many questions this time:
>
> Some references tell the upper edge of ionic chiton was pinned
> together along the arms - shoulder line at about 4 to 8
> inch intervals.
> What were these pins like? Is there any books
> with good pictures for the pins?
> Could sewing the upper edges together with same intervals be
> also a period solution?
> Could the material be cotton? (My books tell a lot about the
> shape and draping of chiton, but don't really tell the
> material.) If it could, I will have couple of more questions
> next time (like why it wasn't so commonly used during medieval
> times) :)
>
> -------(c) 1997----------------* [email protected] *
> Ella Lynoure Rajamaki----------*http://www.iki.fi/~lynoure*
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> a small chaotic multi-era creature.-------------------------
My sources say the Doric chiton was wool and the Ionic was linen to
drape better. I have one picture of an Ionic one that has the seam
gathered and sewn rather than pinned (this is a line drawing in a
costume book so I don't know where they get this from). The pins were
similar to large modern safety pins (try a museum with a classical
collection). With some imagination, hot glue, spray paint etc. you can
turn a diaper pin into something that will pass (at least for stage
purposes or as long as no one looks at it really close). At any rate it
should be an 'open' type of pin where you see the metal--not something
like a brooch that covers the pin part. Also, silk was introduced to
Greece about 4th cent BC or so--but so far I've only seen a reference to
cloaks, not chitons, made from it, but it's possible that chitons were.
--
Kate Pinner
Kelsey Theatre
Tech Dir--Design
Sets/Costumes
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 08:56:43 -1000
From: Cynthia Virtue
Subject: Re: H-COST: ionic chiton question
For a situation that extreme accuracy is not needed, I have used the method of sewing
the top 'sleeve' of the chiton together at the pinning points, and then sewing a
long metallic bead over the join so that it looks somewhat like a pin holding the
sides together. I've had good results with this, if the bead is appx. 1/2 inch long.
Cynthai
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From: DUNHAM Patricia R
Subject: RE: H-COST: ionic chiton question
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 08:04:00 -1000
Cotton is pretty unlikely; as far as I know it mostly was introduced (to Europe generally)
from India ca. 1400 AD, or later. Fine wool was more like it, I think. (like modern
"Challis" weave wool?) or Linen, of course. (all the sheer fabric the Egyptians used was linen... I'm pretty sure 8-))
For pins, I have a couple of dozen small brass bent-wire "safety pins" from an SCA
craftsman (about 1 inch long, they work fine)... or little anular broaches could
be used. I also have a couple of little silver ones, 1 inch diameter, which I have
used at the shoulders of my bog dress.
An "anular" is a circle with a pin riding on it (attached by a simple loop around
the circle, then pin is just longer than the opposite side of the circle), you pull
the (fine) fabric up thru the circle far enough to catch it with the pin, then pull
the fabric back, and the circle keeps the pin from pulling thru. A "penanular" has a break
in the circle, but the theory is the same, that's why they have the decorative enlargements
at the ends of the broken circle, to hold the pin on... I think there's a drawing of how a penannular works in, of all things, the benighted Tre Trekare Viking!
8-) The main difference is that a penanular gives you a bigger opening to pull fabric
thru... more a cloak pin than for a dozen chiton pins...
I think most of the illustrations floating in my head imply an object at
the joining points... maybe you could stitch them and stitch a bead on??
That's a complete surmise, there...
Patsy
Patricia R. Dunham - Eugene Public - 100 W 13th Ave - 97401
[email protected] - 541-984-8321
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 16:31:14 -1000
From: Lee and Bill
Subject: Re: H-COST: Greco-Roman safety pins
A week or so ago, someone was asking about pins to fasten an ionic
chiton. I just came across a brief reference and line drawings of ROMAN
pins. Let me know if you're interested, I can scan and send it to you.
E-mail me privately at [email protected]
Lee
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