Hello,
This is a quick look at an AIG article that was supposed to show how
two dating methods were in conflict.
Quotes from the article are in Blue.
Dating in Conflict
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1141.asp
Mainstream geologists would never think
of trying to get a radiocarbon (14C) date for the coalified wood in
this Mägenwil sandstone, because anything that old should not be
datable by this method.
Yep, they got that correct. Yet for some reason they seem to be doing
it anyway. We will see why they should have stuck to their first thought.
So anything which really was millions of
years old would have no detectable radiocarbon left, and would register
as giving an infinite radiocarbon age.
Right and Wrong.
Right, Anything which is really millions of years old would not give
a correct date because it had too little radiocarbon to get a good reading.
Wrong, It will not register infinite radiocarbon age.
Using the traditional method (which would have been used when this sample
was taken).
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/feedback/may01.html
The "traditional method" of carbon
dating is to concentrate the carbon in a sample, convert it to a gas,
and then measure the residual radioactivity of the gas. Even though
this is done in a specially shielded chamber, some small amount of background
radiation will interfere with the counts. Due to this "noise,"
even a completely "dead" sample will yield a computed age
around 20,000 to 30,000 years (give or take, depending on several factors).
That is essentially the limit of the "traditional" assessment
technique. For this reason, a result in the 30,000-year range by the
"traditional" method is understood to mean "an indeterminately
old age."
So as you can see. It would not have read infinite radiocarbon
age but will report the noise radiation, which will give it a
reading in the 30,000 range.
Even ICR agrees. In an article from 1989 they write,
http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-189.htm
"First, any instrument which is built to measure radiocarbon has
a limit beyond which it cannot separate the signal due to radiocarbon
in the sample from the signal due to background processes within the
measuring apparatus. Even a hypothetical sample containing absolutely
no radiocarbon will register counts in a radiocarbon counter because
of background signals within the counter. In the early days of radiocarbon
analysis this limit was often around 20,000 radiocarbon years. Thus,
all the researcher was able to say about samples with low levels of
radiocarbon was that their age was greater than or equal to 20,000 radiocarbon
years (or whatever the sensitivity limit of his apparatus was). Some
may have mistaken this to mean that the sample had been dated to 20,000
radiocarbon years."
Better equipment and testing can give a higher range, but as you can
see, using the traditional method will always give a reading, no matter
what.
Such dating wouldnt show the woods true age, since
creationists have long shown that the huge imbalance of carbon in the
world due to the global Flood catastrophe would give artificially old
radiocarbon dates, especially those from the early post-Flood era.1
This is the same flood that Fossilized such fragile things as footprints,
right?
I have yet to hear how this catastrophic flood, could be
powerful enough to distort the Carbon dating Method, Yet be calm enough
to fossilize footprints and other fragile things.
However, if it registered any age at all
on the radiocarbon test (and all sources of potential contamination
had been eliminated), it would mean that it could not possibly be millions
of years old.
As was shown above, using the traditional method it will always register
a date. It is up to the scientist to understand the method well enough
to know what that means. So far, it doesnt seem like the writer
of the article understands how C-14 dating works.
The result: 36,440 years BP ± 330
years.
So, we can then decide that there is a huge possibility that the background
Noise overwhelmed any readings and gave us an incorrect date in the
area of 30,000 years. The date should be read as not enough C14 to beat
the background noise, suggesting the sample is Older than 36,000 years.
This is why we should use Radiometric dating within is given range,
and also understand what readings we will get if it is outside the dating
methods range. That way we will get correct readings. Scientists know
this, unfortunately creationists dont seem to.
in line with what one would expect, based
on the true history of the world given in the Bible by the One who made
all, and Who alone is infinite in knowledge, wisdom and power. The real
age is probably less than four thousand years.
I found this interesting. This sample is supposed to have been distorted
by the flood.
The earliest YEC dates of creation are based on Usshers calculations
using genealogies in the Bible. They put creation at around 6000 years
ago, and the flood at around 4350 years ago.
If this sample was Less than 4000 years old, it would have missed the
flood by at least 350 years.
This is an interesting Error, as it seems to either falsify the claim
that it was distorted by the flood. Or falsify the belief, using the
bible, that creation was 6000 years ago.
Not to mention that he makes a rather arbitrary assumption of the age,
and gives no evidence to support it.
It seems that long-age believers are left
with only three options
Or we are actually left with a fourth Option. That is that the article
only gives half the information, and gets the dating system and facts
wrong. Now the question is, Was the writer ignorant of the facts and
use of the C-14 dating system? Or, did they purposely give misleading
information?
misplaced faith in the absolute
ages given by radiometric methods.
Anyone who understands Radiometric dating would understand that it very
rarely gives us absolute ages. But it does give us correct
ages within the Methods range, when the method is understood and used
correctly.
When it is misunderstood and used incorrectly, it will give you bad
dates.I wanted to post a basic refutation to this article. As you can
see, the only conflict is between the writers understandings
and reality.
-Ari
Last Update 8/10/03
©03 Ari
Back to Main Page
|