ALL SAINTS ARE ONE
by
Sant Ajaib Singh Ji
This Q & A talk was given on Oct. 2,
1978 at Sant Bani Ashram, Village
77RB, Rajasthan and was published in
the January 1979 issue of Sant Bani.
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QUESTION: I have a question about love between the Master and the
disciple. I was initiated one and one-half months before Master Kirpal
Singh left the body. I never really acquired much of a devotion for His
physical form. Yet I saw You on your world tour, and now I am sitting
at Your feet. And consequently I feel much more devotion for you and
love for you than I ever had for Kirpal Singh. And I was wondering
whether that is a bad thing?
THE MASTER: I am not giving you any other message. I am giving you the
message of Hazur Kirpal. And I am building your faith in Him.
This also is possible: That maybe He is residing within me, and He is
giving His own message to you, by Himself - only while you are seeing
the body of Ajaib, otherwise the Shabd is the same. Guru Arjan Dev Ji
Maharaj said, "The light is the same and the practices are the same; only
the body is changed." Now, it is also true that I am not giving you any
other message than Master Kirpal gave. I am also giving you the same
message, and that is why there is no difference. The light, also, is the
same which is working, and the practices are also the same. Only the
body is changed.
All of the disciples of Mastana Ji of Baluchistan were believing in
Master Kirpal. And they had a lot of faith in Him, even to the extent that
they were bringing Kirpal into their houses. And at that time I also used
to be with Him. Once a dear one asked the Master, "Master, we are
initiates of Mastana Ji, but we have love for you; will we ever receive any
grace from you?" The Master said, "Yes, the door of grace is always open;
whatever you need, you will have it."
This question was asked by Seth Mod Ram, when Hazur was visiting
his house. And after that, Master Kirpal gave inner experience to his
little son, who was at that time five years of age. Seth Moti Ram was at
that time dealing in camels, but he was not making any good profit in that
business. So Master gave the inner experience to his little son, saying to
him, "Now, tell your father he should stop dealing in camels, and that he
should now go into that village and open a shop there." And so that boy
told Seth Mod Ram, "Master has told me that you should stop dealing in
camels and that you should go into the village called Majiwas and open
a shop there." Moti Ram did that, and after that he became rich.
Moti Ram's sister and father used to come to me for eleven years
continuously. Now, once it so happened that when both of them were
visiting me, Seth Moti Ram's sister went into the field to bring some
vegetables, and his father told me that he wanted to drink some tea. So I
smiled and said, "Okay, it is up to you if you want to drink tea. We'll
make tea and have it." And I smiled at him. And as soon as he drank
that tea, he got so much intoxication that his attention went right up
and after that he became unconscious, since he was connected within. And
after that, for six days continuously, he didn't move; he didn't say
anything but he was always - up! And many people came to see him. And
before that, Beas people had very much opposed Master Kirpal in this
area, and they had even written a book against Master, and they used to
say, "Kirpal is nothing, he is just a fake thing." So when that happened,
I told the people, in front of all the Sangat in the town called
Karampur, "Those who have said that Kirpal is nothing and He cannot do
anything for the souls, can go into my ashram and see how He has
connected one soul within, and how that man is enjoying the bliss of
being within." And I told this to many people. And those who thought
that Kirpal was nothing, when they came and saw the father of Moti Ram
connected within, they became convinced that Master Kirpal was great.
I told them that this man would speak before leaving the body, when it
was time to leave. I told them that those who would go there near him
should go on doing their Simran, and that when it would be his time
to leave, he would get up and speak, and then he would leave. So this
very thing happened after six days. When he left the body, after six
days, he first came back into consciousness, and he said, "Masters
Kirpal and Sawan are both here, and now I am happily going with them."
Once some dear ones of Mastana Ji asked Master Kirpal, "Will we be
protected at the time of death?" Master Kirpal said, "Yes. At the time of
death, most probably I will be there before you leave. But if I am not
there, if the Negative Power comes to you and asks you where you are to
go, you are to say, 'We are to go to Kirpal.' And then the Negative
Power will ask you, 'Which Kirpal? because there are many Kirpals in
this world. And you are to say, 'We want to go to the Kirpal of Delhi.'
That way you will be protected."
Even Mastana Ji used to say in front of all his Sangat, "Those who
want to see the gifts, the grace of Sawan, should come to me and see how
that grace is working. And those who want to see the meditation of
Sawan, they should go to Delhi and meet Kirpal." And Mastana Ji used
to call Master Kirpal "the One Who has meditated." The Baluchistani
Mastana was gifted with the grace of Sawan only for this little area.
Whatever greenery, whatever good things you are now seeing in this
place were not here before. And this was a very poor area. Water has
come here only recently. This place was called "the area of Baggar."
Hazur Sawan had told Mastana Ji, "I will make you the King of Baggar."
That is why, in this little area, he had given out a lot of wealth to
people. Mastana Ji used to give out fresh notes, fresh bills of money!
He used to say that the will of Sawan Shah was creating it. And he,
himself, used to wear old clothes, not very good clothes, and simple
shoes. But the police used to try very hard to find out whether he had
any printing machine, because people suspected he had some sort of
printing machine with which he was printing the notes. I remember once
that he was arrested, and he was in handcuffs, and the people asked him,
"Now, you tell us where you are printing this money which you are
distributing!" And he replied, "What can I say to the cobblers? Cobblers
are interested only in skin. And you are like cobblers. Because you are
worried in the skin, that is why you do not do meditation. You come to
the eye center, and you will see how Sawan Shah's will is working there,
ready to give out gold, silver, pounds, and any other thing. What am I
giving out? I am giving out nothing in comparison to what Master Sawan
Singh is giving out! You come to the eye center and see how His Will is
working there."
Then people used to say that he was making use of the supernatural
powers, and that the notes which he was making would not last long, and
that they would disappear. But even now, those notes which he was giving
out are, still there, and the people are still using them.
There was a reason why he started giving out money to people. The
reason was that when Master Sawan Singh bought His personal land in
Sikandarpur, at that time the Akali people printed many pamphlets against
Master Sawan Singh, saying that he had bought this land from the money of
the Sangat, and that he was not the Master. But Mastana used to say,
"Sawan Shah is a very great power, and I am His dog. And what can the
Master not do in this world, whose dog is giving out money to people?"
Mastana didn't go out of this area. He didn't go into any other part of
India. He used to say, "I have the orders for only this small area." And
he always obeyed those orders, and gave out the Naam only in this area.
And he used to say, "Master Sawan has made Master Kirpal the Master of
all the world."
From within, all the Saints are one. Kabir Sahib says, "Those who are
understanding one Saint as being different from other ones are definitely
going to hell." Earlier I told you that before any great soul comes into
this world, all the other Saints and Gurus get together in the form of a
meeting. This meeting is always called by God. And in that meeting They
are told, "Now, you go somewhere," and the other one is also told,
"And you, go." But because They have previously visited this physical
plane, and because of Their suffering here, nobody is ready to return
into this world. Then God himself orders certain Saints, "Now it is your
turn and you have to go." And it is also possible that a certain Saint or
Master has visited this world before, bearing some other name. Whenever
He takes up a new body, He always takes up a new name. If He had come
previously in the body of Nanak, He was called "Nanak." And when the
same power comes again into this world and takes birth at any place in
this world, He will have a new name. When Sat Purush orders any great
soul, "Now, you have to go," at that time, because They cannot refuse,
and because They are the beloved children of Sat Purush, as it is not
a good thing for a dear child to refuse to obey the orders of a father,
in the same way, they obey the orders of the Sat Purush. But at the
same time, they ask for boons. They say, "Whoever comes to me, whether
that one is a sinner or a good man, or whether he is supposed to come
back or not, let that one who comes to me definitely have Your
protection." And then He says, "Relying upon You, we will make the
souls sit in the ship of Naam. And those who get initiation from us,
You have to take care of them." And definitely Sat Purush takes care of
the souls who are initiated by the Saints sent by Sat Purush himself.
Master Sawan Singh Ji used to say, "I was supposed to take birth in
Farivkot, but there are some reasons why I was born in Ludhiana."
Master Sawan Singh was born in the village of Mehmansinghwalla, which
was in the region of Ludhiana.
When Guru Gobind Singh was about to come into this world, he told
Sat Purush, "I don't want to come into this world." And He later wrote
in His writings, "At first I didn't want to come into this world. But at
that time when Sat Purush told me I had to come, I told him, 'All right,
I will go into the world, but You will have to send me as Your son, and
if I will need anything, I will not look upon Rama or Krishna or any
other power in this world. But whatever I need, You will have to give
me.' And Sat Purush said, 'All right, I am sending you into the world as
my son, and whatever you need, I will always give to you. You will not
have to ask for anything from anybody else.'"
The Shabd is only one, and that Shabd takes up the body and dwells
among us.
The Sant Satgurus are residing in one place, but They are also at the
same time all-pervading. Because of the body, They seem to be in only
one place. But because of the Shabd, They are all-pervading. Master
Sawan Singh Ji used to say, "Within the Saints, there is some power at
work." And then He used to say, "I cannot call that thing a 'power,'
because 'power' can be measured, and 'power' has some limitations. But
That Which is working within the Saints, That is Something Which cannot
be described."
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