THE ESSENCE IS MEDITATION by Sant Ajaib Singh Ji The following Q & A session was given on Apr. 3, 1976 at Sant Bani Ashram, Village 77RB, Rajasthan, and was published in the July 1976 issue of Sant Bani magazine. ----------------------------------------- [Q]: May I ask you some questions Sant Ji? [MASTER]: Whatever you like. [Q]: I have general questions and personal questions. I'll just start with personal. When I sit for meditation Master is very loving to me and He gives me something, but I'm not worthy of it. I have difficulty with being chaste, with brahmcharya. I have trouble being pure. For a short period, a few days, I am okay. I remember the Master. And I have no desire for sex, for kam - lust. But then after a few days my mind demands and I am weak. I need help. My wife is very beautiful and she has no trouble with this problem. So it is really my problem. I want to become pure. But it seems... I don't try hard enough. I lack the strength. I lack the love for the Master. So I am praying for that. [MASTER]: Well, when you are feeling kam (lust or sexual desire) you start meditation. You have mind on one side and Satguru on the other side. If you are diverted toward mind and your own feelings then you are going to be a slave of mind. And if you divert your attention toward Master then you can get Master. Meditation is just like lighting up a light within. And if you go to the light that will go on increasing. And in the place that is full of light, no thief is going to come. The thief of kam will not come to you if you are meditating properly and meditating for a long time. If you are going to meditate continuously for a long period then you will be getting more love from Master. And if you have left meditating after ten or fifteen days that will not bring so much love. Unless you give time for meditation, two and a half hours or three hours, you don't get to eat anything. As it is necessary for our body to have diet it is also necessary for our soul - the diet of meditation. So first you give food to your soul, then afterward to your body. The knot that is tying up all those things, kam, or lust, krodh, or anger, etc., that knot lies behind our two eyes, where the soul resides. And when the soul gets free from this body and we rise above Trikuti, then this kam, krodh, are not going to destroy anything. They are not going to come attack our soul. That stage has nothing to do with these things. All these things are tied at that place behind the eyes. If you go riding up and up by doing meditation daily you are not going to feel anything about kam, or krodh, or the other passions. And it is necessary for a satsangi to do meditation and to be free from these diseases: this is one type of disease, having kam, and krodh. Because of kam or lust the souls comes down again in the body. And because of anger the soul spreads all around. Where there is kam there is no Naam. Where there is day there is no night and when there is night there is no day. So one who is desirous of kam, krodh, or one who is greedy, he can never do meditation. Meditation is done only by the brave people. In meditation we have to give up all our mind and our heart to Master. We have to wander in search of Master. And if you have given up your heart or your mind to Master then why do you think about kam or krodh? Or why do you give your mind to kam or krodh? If you want to be a true disciple of Master you will be away from this kam, and the way of being away from kam is meditation. If you meditate you will be heading away from kam. And if you are going to meditate for two and a half or three hours in the morning and the same time in the evening also, three hours; if you are going to give that much time for meditation you will be happy. And you will not be having any desire of kam. If you are doing meditation properly you will not be getting anything in dreams also. When you are not stable in this world, then what are you going to do on the inner planes, where there are temptresses and spirits who are very much more beautiful than anything in this world? So there is one shabda of Kabir that says, if you are going to do kam with your own wife, or with any other's wife, or any other woman, you are definitely going to suffer. It is the same thing: if the fire is burning then if you put your hand inside, definitely you are going to burn your hand. All fire is one. So if you put your hand in fire you are definitely going to burn. This was said by Kabir. Woman is a life companion but not for kam. We can get children by having it once. Afterwards you are to clean your mind and go towards the path of Truth. And neither the woman should look at you in that way nor you should have any desire after having the child. Take the example of a dog. He is desirous of kam only at certain times, and the other times he doesn't go to any bitch. But man is always desirous throughout the year. It is a very dangerous disease. And to prevent this disease, whenever you have desire of kam you sit for meditation. If you meditate you will never have such problems. [Q]: I have difficulty taking more than three hours a day for meditation because of all the things I'm involved in. Should I leave off some of the things I'm involved in? [MASTER]: If you're going to take time for all these worldly things then you should also have time for meditation. You can carry out the things in which you're involved and side-by-side you can also do meditation. There's no need to leave off these things. [Q]: I also have trouble with lust, and with my mind. Sometimes I don't seem to have any control over my thoughts, or very very little. And I'd like help with that. [MASTER]: Well, the helper is residing inside you. And if you are going to give attention to Him He is going to help you. Whenever a Sant initiates us, the Sant always resides above all the nine openings of our body. If you take your soul above these nine openings, then you will meet the Satguru. When you get above the nine openings it's the duty of Master to take care of you, just like a good mother cares for her child, that he should not put his hand in the fire or go out. She looks after him. Once somebody came to Master Sawan Singh and bowed down at his feet and the Master told him to go away. The other devotees said, "Master, give mercy." But the Master said, "At three o'clock in the morning I go to each and every door with a basket full of mercy but everybody's sleeping then and there is nobody to receive mercy from me." That is the time of giving mercy, early in the morning. There is one verse of Kabir: "A Satguru is always meant for giving and not for taking. He always gives all things to others, to His devotees." Master used to say that the Saints are always coming for giving to people, not to take. And there are very few people to receive from them. We see the physical body yearning in this world. But that is going to be destroyed one day. And if we go and see in Sach Khand, we see the form of Word, the form of Naam. Because we are the slave of our mind and of our body we think that Sants and Masters are also slaves of their bodies when we see them in the same form. But they are entirely different from us. They go to Sach Khand and come back while living in the body. So neither the body of a Sant nor the body of a devotee is going to remain for a very long period. The form of Satguru is Shabda or Naam and the form of the devotee is soul. So our soul is the servant and our Guru is the Shabda. The soul and the Naam are not going to be destroyed anytime. They are immortal. The Kal power has attached mind to the soul; and the reign of mind is given to all these indriyas, all the organs and faculties of our body. Whatever the mind wants us to do, we do. And it doesn't allow us to take the name of Satguru or to do meditation. Whenever Satguru comes to this world, He always teaches how to fight against this Kal power. The biggest enemy in this world of all mankind is our mind. There is nobody else who is the enemy of man. So we are not to bow down to our enemy. We are to fight against him. You be brave and fight with mind. So the weapon to fight against the mind is the Naam. Satguru is always ready to help you. Remember Satguru, every difficulty will be removed. So you are to give more time for meditation. Any other questions? [Q]: I have some questions about meditation. Master said that we should meditate two and a half hours a day. But I'm not initiated. So when I try to meditate for a long time I get very bad headaches and have to stop. So one question is how should I meditate? What should I use for Simran and how long should I sit at a time? Also, sometimes the sound comes into my right ear or it just seems to pour down from the top of my head. Should I try closing my ears and listening to that sound even though I'm not initiated? [MASTER]: You will be initiated before long - I promised to Russell and all other satsangis, so at that time all your difficulties will be removed. Because you don't have that inside you right now, the power which is to guide you is not residing in you just now, that is why you are having some difficulties. Don't leave this sitting for meditation, just remember the form of the Satguru. And if you are going to sit daily you can control your mind or you can divert your direction of mind towards Satguru. And if you sit daily you will be helped within yourself. [Q]: I will be helped within? [MASTER]: It is just like working. If you are working for a man or if you are working in a company, the company owner is going to give you some wages. And it's just like if you're going to work for Master, that is you're going to sit for meditation, Master will also pay you for your sitting in meditation. If you are getting desserts, if you are getting fruits of doing sins, then you will also be benefited by the fruit of doing bhajan. Don't think you are simply sitting and the Master is not listening to you. Each and every one of your feelings is listened to by Master and He does reply to your questions. But as you're not guided by that Power you are unable to hear that. He is replying to each and every thing. Any other questions? [Q]: I'm so happy to be sitting here and looking into your eyes. (Laughter and some conversation ensue.) [MASTER]: Well, they are saying that before you get to Sant Ji you have many questions arising in your mind but when you see Sant Ji you forget all these questions. Jim Russell also told me that, "When I'm not with you I have many questions to ask you and I make up my mind that I should ask each and every one of the questions which I have. But as soon as I see you I forget all these questions." [Q]: Oh, I have another question. (Much general laughter) I just looked in my book where I wrote some. Should people who are not initiated try and keep the diary daily the same way that initiates do? [MASTER]: It's necessary. It's good for each and everybody. To raise the spirit is the goal of education. Everybody knows how to read and write. But in the old days there was a Moslem Saint. He used to throw one stone in a ditch whenever he did any wrong thing. And once he got a lot of stones. And he tried to reduce them. Diary makes the man perfect; it makes the man's life. Because we are not remembering the Saints, that's why we are going on doing sin. And diary is the thing which can tell us the part we are doing wrong. If we are noting down all the sins which we are doing by mistake, knowingly or unknowingly, then we are going to reduce or at least we are going to prevent ourselves from doing those mistakes. And when we are going to write down with our pen what mistakes we did we will be ashamed to think that, "I am so much downward that I am doing this type of mistake." So that's why you keep writing diary. [Q]: I have a question. Master Kirpal Singh said that it was important to try to have a ruling passion in one's life. And I'm wondering if you could say more about how to develop a ruling passion for God ... a controlling desire for God? [MASTER]: The essence of it is meditation. You develop after meditation. The answer to all questions is meditation. The more time you give to meditation the more happiness you find. Master Sawan Singh used to say to his servant, "You prepare my food and put it on the shelf and whenever I would like to I would have that food. No need to ask me for eating." And whenever he came from his office he started on meditation. After four or five hours his mind asked him to eat some food, and he started eating. This is how he controlled His mind - first He gave diet to His soul and then to His body. We are like dead bodies before our mind. Whatever mind wants us to do we do. And the work of the Satguru is to give life to us so that we can fight against mind. Because life comes from life. If we are going to remember the true holy man we can at least get some of his qualities. We can get radiation from him. Well, there are a few who are slaves of Master or are like a dead body before Master; they are doing what Master wants them to do. But there are many who are dead bodies before the mind and they do according to the mind's will. So there is one verse of Kabir that says there are many people who are working according to their mind's will. And there are very few who are working according to the desire and will of Master. So we eat, we drink - whatever we do in our daily life we are all doing according to our mind's will. Meditation is the medicine to control mind, or to destroy your mind's feeling. We have got this man's body, and we have to use it in diverting our attention towards Satguru. It is the form in which we can get Satguru, and not in any other form. There is a verse of Guru Nanak that says: "You have wasted your day in playing, you have wasted your night in sleeping, and this life is as precious as a diamond." You have to use it in meditation and searching for God. There is a verse of Kabir Sahib: "The birth as man is very precious to us; in the same way that if fruit falls down from the tree, it is not going to get again to the tree" - it is very precious. If you are not using this body for meditation you don't know where you are going to go in another life. It may be possible that we will not be diverted towards Satguru in that form. So these devis and devtas (gods) - they are also waiting for this man-body so that they can meditate and get Satguru. So the only benefit, the only special thing about having man's body, is the search for God and getting Satguru. You can get everything else in any other form. If we are beasts, wild animals, we can still eat and sleep, and we can do all these things - kam, krodh, lobh, moh (lust, anger, greed, attachment) - but we don't have such a mind - such a feeling - as will enable us to get Satguru within us. That we have only in the man-body. Kabir described the form of cattle: they have four legs, they are dumb - they don't know how to speak, how to remember - they don't have such type of mind. So how can they get God? How can they get Satguru within? The owner of a cow will always give a strict blow in order to make the cow stand up, or sit down, or in order to carry the burden. In that situation, how is the cow going to remember God? The owner puts a ring in the hole in the nose; and the cow has to carry a plow with its shoulders. They have to do a lot of hard work, and in that situation they are unable to remember Master. It gets cattle feed for eating, and not good proper food. After working for the whole of the day on the farm, he is tied up in the owner's house - then also he doesn't have any free moooment. So he is always bound just like a slave. He doesn't have any special mind to think about Master or anything else except his work. The form of that cow is got because in the former life he did not work according to the will of Satguru, so he is now getting such troubles. Kabir used to say to one old man who was sitting there, "Old man, you go and meditate." That old man always had some work at home to do first: "Well, I should give water or feed for the cattle." He always put his cattle before meditation. So in the next life, when he died, he came in the form of a calf in the same home. Kabir was a very knowing man and he saw that that was the same old man in the form of a calf. He told that calf, "Well, now you have become a calf. As soon as you will be grown up you will be sold away to another man to pull a cart so that he may ride. And you will have to carry heavy burdens. And afterward those people will sell you to those who take oil from seeds, so you will have to go round and round on a treadmill. And afterwards, when you will be useless, they will sell you to the butcher. The butcher will cut you up and will sell your skin to the drum makers, and they will beat you every morning, playing the drum." So Kabir told him that, "Well, you have earned so much bad karma that after you have died, all of your flesh is eaten up. Then also you are getting a beating daily." So we have to use our human body for meditation because we can get each and every thing in any other body, but not this gift of meditation. We can get children in each and every form. When we are going to die then nobody will come to our rescue - neither wife nor our sons nor our brothers - nobody else. Moreover all our wealth will remain here - no one is going to keep us from dying. The One who helps in crisis is the true friend; Satguru is the true friend. That's why Guru Nanak said that you don't make friends of this type of people - you make only one friend, and that is Satguru. And that true friend will never leave you even after you die. All these worldly friends are going to leave you when you die, but will continue in the other world also. Whoever is an initiate of the Master will go to Sach Khand. Masters come into this world with responsibility to carry people to Sach Khand. They don't come to build any new religion. They only come to unite the soul with the Oversoul. The false gurus teach us to attach ourselves to all these temples. They teach us that you go to temples, gurdwaras, and churches, etc. So Satguru sends his man (the Guru) to prevent us from attaching ourselves there, because if we go to the temple and do this sort of thing, we are not giving any time to our soul. That we are doing because our body needs it. So the Satguru sends someone in the form of Master for us - to take us to Sach Khand. So that's why the Master [Kirpal] always used to say, "Oh man, you have seen all your surroundings - all temples and churches which are surrounding you - but you have never seen within. So now you look in yourself and you try to know what you are. Man, know thyself." The Master used to say that you have read all these books and experienced all about your surroundings. Now it is time that you should have knowledge from inside. Well, we have kept clean all the temples which we have made for Satguru. We make temples that Satguru may come and reside in this temple, and we put the incense there and keep them very clean. But Satguru is residing within our own self, and in our body we go on drinking and eating meat and wine, and all these things. So how is it possible that Satguru, who is living in Sach Khand - so clean and pure - could come into our body if we are eating all this stuff? We used to clean the temples and all these things which we have made for the Master to reside in, but the place that Master has made for Himself in our body, we don't clean that place. And He always used to say that there is no Satguru in the temple. Satguru resides within us and we have to clean our body by not having such food and drink. We are like the patient who goes to the doctor and has some medicine from there, and when he comes home he puts away the medicine and doesn't take it. Then he abuses that doctor: "Oh, he is not a good doctor. I am not cured." So in the same way we have the knowledge of Naam and we don't meditate. We abuse all these holy men - we are not benefited. Unless we use that Naam, how can we get benefit of that? When we are on a treatment and we take medicine, then we are not to take heavy food. Similarly, if we meditate sometime and also keep on eating and drinking all this stuff, we are not going to clear ourselves. So we have taken medicine of the knowledge of Naam of the Master. We have to use that in order to make ourselves clear and very good. That will help us to fight against mind and prevent us from succumbing to kam, krodh, and all the other passions. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- BACK TO CONTENTS

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