If you are interested, have teammates (or other friends) that might be interested or have ideas e-mail Wesleyan XC. This page will be updated periodically, so check back often for updates and news.

We've located some other NESCAC beer-mile pages that may be of interest:

• Tufts Beermile
• Amherst Budmile

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:53:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Patrick C. Butler" 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Final Preps

The week is winding down, and perhaps we should take another step towards
organization.  Check out the page for rules and updates (it's changed).  A
few comments - Van Nim talked to Miller on the phone and apparently
Milwaukee's Best is only 4.5% (ie ILLEGAL).  They recommended the High
Life or an alternate brew.  Ok, here's what you should do:

1) Respond to this message (and include at least Wes addresses and host
Amherst addresses).  In the message include the following information (in
no particular order):
        a) Where is your team running Saturday?
        b) What time do you expect to be home?
        c) What time do you expect to leave for Amherst?
        d) What is the best way to reach you until then -
           (I think we'll all give Amherst a call before we drive)?
        e) Approximately how many men, women, etc. do you plan
           on bringing and how many to compete (best estimate)?
        f) In how many vehicles?
---optional info: -------
        g) What are your plans for sleeping that night
           (slumber party @ Amherst, designated drivers)?
        h) What kind of beer are you thinking of bringing
           (just to make sure it's legal!)?
        i) Would you be willing to pay a $10 team entry fee
           for awards (worth it!) and post-race accomodations?
        j) Other comments....

One per team would be super.  Any other ideas?

See you all in no time.

- Dirty Pat

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:53:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Patrick C. Butler" 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Final Preps

The week is winding down, and perhaps we should take another step towards
organization.  Check out the page for rules and updates (it's changed).  A
few comments - Van Nim talked to Miller on the phone and apparently
Milwaukee's Best is only 4.5% (ie ILLEGAL).  They recommended the High
Life or an alternate brew.  Ok, here's what you should do:

1) Respond to this message (and include at least Wes addresses and host
Amherst addresses).  In the message include the following information (in
no particular order):
        a) Where is your team running Saturday?
        b) What time do you expect to be home?
        c) What time do you expect to leave for Amherst?
        d) What is the best way to reach you until then -
           (I think we'll all give Amherst a call before we drive)?
        e) Approximately how many men, women, etc. do you plan
           on bringing and how many to compete (best estimate)?
        f) In how many vehicles?
---optional info: -------
        g) What are your plans for sleeping that night
           (slumber party @ Amherst, designated drivers)?
        h) What kind of beer are you thinking of bringing
           (just to make sure it's legal!)?
        i) Would you be willing to pay a $10 team entry fee
           for awards (worth it!) and post-race accomodations?
        j) Other comments....

One per team would be super.  Any other ideas?

See you all in no time.

- Dirty Pat

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:43:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: "John H. Raby" 
To: Pat Butler ,
    "Michael W. Vannimwegen" 
Subject: Trinty rhymin'

What the hell is this. Look at the schools in Connecticut: Wesleyan, Conn
College, and Trinity.
        Conn College is just a bunch of wimps. We've given them an
opportunity to dance and they've decided to be wallflowers. As Weider
would probably say, "Their fur isn't worth taking."
        Trinity on the other hand, well. First of all, we know how smart
they are because they all decided to go to school in Hartford. Middletown
may be boring but it's better than being in a dump. Two, when was the last
time Trinty beat us in a dual meet in X-C. Oh yeah, NEVER! All that X-C
stamina is going to pay off in the mile, and let's face it they don't have
it. I recall a certain dual meet my sophomore year where Trinity even
trained on our course for the dual meet and then CHOKED! I just hope they
don't choke on too much of their vomit after the first lap. I'd hate ruin
a good party by having to take people to the hospital.
        But then again, with the hurt locker we're going to put everybody
in, maybe we should look into having a trainer at the meet. We've got to
go out a represent for Connecticut, nobody else is tough enugh to do it.
                                                Beef
P.S. Stick a fork in Forkner, he's done.

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:52:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Patrick C. Butler" 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: eat this for dinner

As the Bants awoke from their beer-induced slumber,
they realized that they had been dreaming that number.
Kneeling to pray before the porcelain goddess,
Over their shoulders peered a modest Team Wes.

It had turned out, that the way it had gone,
Wes had pummelled the ranks, then gotten their mack on.
No puking, no whining, no spilling a drop.
The Hartford crew's predictions appeard to be a flop.

All ye be wary, of this Saturday night.
Trying to drink down CMV will only get you in a fight.
His two sub-eight miles last Saturday evening,
will fuck with your head and leave Team Wes to reigning.

On with the show - "Let's Dance", like I say.
Drag all the gang out, slow and fast, to the fray.
Trin, I like your attitude; Tufts, I'm accepting quickly -
Hamilton, Middlebury, Amherst, you'll be there (but sickly).

For the rest of you yellow-bellied NESCAC wannabes,
my only comment will be - join us please?

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:47:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Emily Hill 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Re: Beer mile rhymin'

hey all you beer rhymin' milers!
we here at Hamilton are ready to kick some NESCAC butt, so be prepared to
get drunk and run under the track!  :)  see y'all on sat. night.

em and co.

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:35:18 -0400
From: Peter Rodrigues 
To: [email protected]
Cc: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Re: Beer mile rhymin'

Not to spoil your day or anything but, my nakedness will not be in
attendence. IF you care so much as to ask why email me directly.
Futhurmore neither Hemingway twin will  be there due to the fact that
they hardly drink and if they knew about this they would have turned us
into Connie as they have done in the past. But with out the services of
myself, Ben, Dick, and Rod are team will not miss a beat. Bellows is
practicing as we speak. Oh yeah-word is Burke is running Boston so he
can beat Grote and wont be doing any drinking. But you never know with
that kid. Expect a late arrival for Tufts also. The colby quad meet
doesn't start till noon. Sorry. 

pax-
pete

ps. nice poem trinity. Too bad its a helluva a lot better than your
running and drinking!!!!!

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:16:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected],
    Adam Forkner 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Beer mile rhymin'


Here's a little rhyme for you all, enjoy it and have a ball. 
See if you can compete with our dope, phat ass rhymes.  Later.   -Da crew.


On the 18th of April, in 98,
The Bants hit the road, and pondered their fate.
Lavigne and Pultar, Forkner and Malick,
Each stretched out, determined to ass kick.
Appleyard and Wong, Flamino and Kyle,
Awaited their glory, in the evening's beer mile.

When they arrived, they checked in with Mitch,
Who all too often has made us his bitch.
But today would be different, no ordinary day,
Once the festivities got underway.

When Tufts showed up, and took off their skirts,
They greeted the Bantams, with snickers and smirks.
The Hemingways were there, both Dick and Rod,
But to win today would take an act of God.

Then Wesleyan arrived, with Elmer and their bear,
But nobody gave a shit, and nobody cared.
Oh my gosh! Williams actually did show
Would they give Trin a run for the money? I don't think so.

We all lined up on the track, beers in hand
Raised and ready to chug at the starter's command
Anxious spectators surrounded the track
Waiting to hear those chilled cans crack

Rodrigues from Tufts
Stripped down to the buff
Spectators stared at his ol' nappy muff

Being sporting, the Bants bid all the teams good luck,
But Williams, Wes, Tufts, and the rest, they all suck.
So downing the first and with a surge of the mass,
From the start it was clear that Trin would kick ass

Up went the gun, down went the brew
Forkner was off with the rest of da crew
Followed by Lansner, Alsdorf, and Grote
Rodrigues still showing his scrote

Lap number one, lap number two
Too many people already did spew
Coors, Bud, MGD, and Beast
On the other runners Trinity will feast

Lap number three, lap number four,
Chugging those beers and running some more.
The cows have been tipped, Their milk has been spilled
Stick a fork in the Jumbos, their goose has been grilled

Elmer's crew-Wesleyan that is
Was stopped on the side of the track taking a wizz
But wait!  They're killing the grass
When they get back to Wes those libs will kick their ass

Amherst was a pleasant host
But little could they boast
They couldn't offer us much comp
The blue and yellow will easily romp

At the start of the bell lap, only a few remain,
Oh! the glory and honor these milers will gain.
It's the yellow shirts in the lead
All set to win, they proceed

Turning the corner for lap number four
Everyone was spewing until they could spew no more
With a hundred to go most start to fall back,
And, Look!, it's the Trinity crew leading the pack.

The tape was drawn with 50 to go
The result was apparent, the competitors were slow!
Trin rules and is on a tear
So, toe the line-if you dare.


-Composed by: Da Trinity Crew:
Yolanda Flamino, Nicole Hanley, Adam Forkner, and Andrew Malick



                          \\\|///
                       \\  ~ ~  //
                      (  @ @  )
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:05:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Benjamin M. Piecuch" 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Question....

Hey Kids!

        Now that we've got the talks started again, it's time to bring up
another point.  WHERE'S THE BEAR?!  Let's go Rob and Co.  It would be
great to be able to kick some purple cow ass, and then have the bear
passing ceremony right after the race.  But, by the pace you boys have
been running lately, it doesn't look like the bear is moving anywhere
fast.  Is it lost, like a piece of luggage on a United Airlines flight?
Or is it damaged beyond repair, like a beaten step-child?  We've been
waiting a long time for this bear, and I'd like to see it before I
graduate.  Senior week just won't be the same without it.  So, track the
thing down, get Thane to quit sleeping with it, and once the Tufts Team
gets it, my life will be complete.  See y'all later.



                                 - BEN -

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:24:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Re: What's up?

It's the quiet before the storm...  We have been deep into the preparation
stage.
later
shags

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:59:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Benjamin M. Piecuch" 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: What's up?

Hello Fellow Ambassadors,

        Ben Piecuch here from Tufts University.  It seems that the boys
are getting a little restless over here about this weekend's excitement.
However, they're also a little worried.  We haven't heard any more talk
about this thing, and it's just a few days away.  We still haven't worked
out our travelling plans, but that's our problem.  I don't know what to
ask for, but my teammates are looking for something to get them psyched
up, and to reassure them that this thing is still on.  If you could, maybe
we could start up the usual bantering.

        Also, I think I'm going to have to withdraw from this year's
competition.  Mr Butler and Mr Vannimwegen, I know that this will
disappoint you, but I have a previous engagement which I must go to.  If
you're really interested, I can explain it later.  Let's just say I'm
redshirting from this year's competition, so that I can return as an
alumnist, complete with beer belly and greying hair.  Have fun.


                                 - BEN -


Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:09:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: "[email protected]" 
To: "Patrick C. Butler" 
Subject: Re: prizes



Whelp, 
prizes for the individuals would be great.  Our plans for that fell
through, kind of, and almost did for the team ones, but we will probably
be able to save them.  Those cups sound great, with the directions I'll
post the 'team entry fee' idea, perhaps make it the nice round ten-dollar
figure.  I'm waiting on the directions because I want to go drive some of
them tomorrow so I can give accurate descriptions.  All systems go other
than that.  You guys getting here at ~9?  Any ideas for opening
ceremonies?  We already have some plans, but welcome others.  
Mitch

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:04:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Patrick C. Butler" 
To: [email protected]
Subject: prizes

Rocky-

you mentioned prizes a couple of times in your group e-mails.  do you have
something specific in mind, or just some ideas.  reason being: for a small
team entry fee (~$8-$10), we could own the cup to end all cups.  It's
silver (with inscription possiblities), about 20 pounds, a couple feet
tall, and can hold fluids for extended periods of time.  we've also been
looking at goodwill stores and salvation armies for old stuff that might
be cheap and BIG.  if you already own or plan on owning anything in this
ballpark, let us in on the game.  you don't have to reveal the whole nine
innings, just let us know what not to buy.  Otherwise, we'd be more than
happy to contribute to an aleady legendary evening.

Until then,
PB

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:02:25 -0400
From: "Michael J. Fox-Boyd" 
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: hamilton

Hey guys, do you know if a kid runs for Hamilton by the name of
Jason Awerdick?  This is kind of important.

Boom Boom

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:33:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Michael C. Tracy" {[email protected]}
To: "Patrick C. Butler" {[email protected]}
Subject: all about snitches and honey

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:12:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Gabriel S. Wieder" 
To: "Patrick C. Butler" 
Subject: Re: The REAL race this weekend.

        Pat:

        There's simply no excuse for the Conn College men not to show up.
Absolutely none; not when you're less than two hours away. They need to
remove their skirts, grab a couple of cases, and get their asses to the
starting line--like any of the other self-respecting members of the
NESCAC: prepared to pull the trigger if necessary.

        This is about pride. This is about redemption.  This is about the
Wesleyan squad making up for years spent in the darkest depths of the
NESCAC cellar.

        Survival of the fittest boys, it's gonna be death before dishonor.

        Gabe Wieder, Darwinian and fur specialist

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:46:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "[email protected]" 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Latest from Race HQ


Here are the latest issues to be settled, discussed, etc.

1)have we settled the final scoring system?  We are all in support of the
latest Wes suggestion; score from the last finisher, from 1 point.

B)The t-shirts went in today, they should be back by Friday, we are
planning to sell them for 12 bucks a pop, free ones to the top three in
each race.  The money we raise from the sales will go to buy

c)kegs, for the party afterward, in the basement of Davis(our common room
won't hold all those who say they are coming, although registration will
be in Davis 202).  Hopefully we will enjoy more competitions-bring ideas
and such, and perhaps we'll have a grand NESCAC streak of campus(it's
pre-frosh weekend for accepted students-let's see how many kids and
parents we can scare away).

IV)Everyone will have a place to sleep here, if they bring a sleeping bag
or not, although it may not be a feather bed.  

6)The schedule, as it looks now, is(no times, just sequential procession
of events, hopefully)
        a.teams arrive at Davis 202, register(that means everyone gets a
number to pin on, we write your name down, etc.)
        b.we have the opening ceremonies, explain how we will go to the
track, figure out one or two heats, and so on.
        c.Our 'advance team' of non-competitors heads over to set up, with
beer, etc.
        d.competitors leave Davis, are escorted along the bike path to the
track(a secret way, to hopefully avoid confrontations with security
forces, and for warmup)
        e.competitors arrive a track, officials get us lined up, we go,
run, have fun, boot, then go back to Davis for awards, more drinking, etc.  
        f.hopefully this trip back to daivs will not involve sprinting
from securty cars, but we will see.  Our PR man is working on that angle.  
        g.We will have a team award, individual awards, and the t-shirts,
plus our own special awards for best booter, and others.  
        h.party, no end until kegs are gone, sleep it off, then (for
anyone who wants), a Morning Recovery Run escorted by your gracious hosts,
on roads and trails.  

X)finally, there are some more details to be worked out with the actual
beer mile running, and I will send out detailed directions to Race HQ
tomorrow, but right now I have to go, so, as always it's been a pleasure.
Keep on drinkin',
Mitch

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:58:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Patrick C. Butler" 
To: Andrew Eisner 
Cc: Return requested 
Subject: Re: Alumni

Here's the skinny -- the scoring works as follows:

- The last place finisher earns one point, the second to last two, ... ,
first gets the number of people in the race.
- The sum of the top five finishers for a school (even in the alum race)
garnish a team score, while seven displace, cross country style.
- With a full team, this will yield exactly the same places as a regular
cross country type race, but allows for partial teams to score.
- The rules for the open champs might change if we find there aren't any
full squads.

We'll keep you posted.
pb

On 14 Apr 1998, Andrew Eisner wrote:

> Boys -- we are in full effect.  We will likely have just me and Shep, but
> there's a growing possibility that some nasty brew team alumni will also be
> present.  Are we going to be competing as our own team?  Or with you guys --
> in which case I won't suggest that each team's score be divided by the number
> of runners on the team, and thereby not penalizing teams like Wes Alumni, who
> won't be able to field a full scoring XC team.  Let me
> know.                 Andrew
>

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 21:21:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected],
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Beer Mile press coverage


I have been trying to work with some connections to get some press
coverage from "New England Runner."  I said that this event promises to
be a landmark event in the history of New England running!


Cheers,

Adam

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:21:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michele Anastasio 97 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: We're in!!

We're coming (in pretty low numbers...mostly men)!!  Is there some
place we should go to "check in", maybe "do a few strides", and "hydrate"
a bit before the race?  Sarah Hann, get in touch with Sarah Rebick at NMH.
I talked to her this weekend and she's up for it.  Maybe you two can
carpool.
                                                        -Michele

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:29:15 -0400
From: Steve Guditus {[email protected]}
To: [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected]
Subject: AMBASSADORS

HAMILTON COLLEGE WILL BE ATTENDING THE NESCAC BEERMILE.

        SINCERELY,
        JEFF GARTE AND STEVE GUDITUS, EMILY HILL, AND SAM BROWN, AMBASSADORS

[email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected]

THANKS FOR THE INVITE GUYS.

---------------------
Steve Guditus
Hamilton College

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:43:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "[email protected]" 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Forwarded mail....


This just in from Middlebury...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:40:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michele Anastasio 97 {[email protected]}
To: [email protected]

Good news:  the tide's turning up here!  I think I have some takers, but I
won't know for sure until next week (a few people's theses are
kicking their butts right now).  I'm short on time, but I'll post a formal
announcement of our participation to all those other NESCACers if we end
up going.  Bye!
                                                                -Michele

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:53:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Meg {[email protected]}
To: [email protected]
Subject: concerns

Hey Pattycake, this whole Beer Mile thing is right up my alley as far as
trouble goes...but there are a few problems which may cause an absence of
the Williams team at the event. April 18th is not only the night of our
annual Toga party, which is rich in tradition and shan't be missed out on,
but also parent's weekend. Mumma Randall might be game to join in but I
don't know about the other 'rents. Just thought I'd let you know what was
up. I'd really hate to miss out on it. If it were another weekend, we'd be
all over it, but I'm not sure we'll be able to make it...sad. Email soon.
How are you? Love, Meg

>Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:40:15 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Chris Lau {[email protected]}
>To: "Noah K. Lansner" {[email protected]}
>Subject: Re: What's the deal?
>
>Hey Lansner,
>
>       We are almost definitely in.  I don't want to say 100% but it's
>pretty much set.  We are going to leave from the meet on Saturday from
>Colby.  I'll give you details later in the week like Thursday or Friday.
>We have break next week so that complicates things a little bit.  I'll
>talk to you later to let you know for sure.
>
>Chris

From: Matt Turnbull 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Re: new participants, rules, etc.

Hey Beer Ambassadors,
        I just thought I would throw my two cents in on this issue:

>B) Choices -- we'll let each team B.Y.O.B., chosen from the following:
>Miller, Budweiser, Coors, Beast and Natty.  NO LITE.  Also, the Canadian
>rules on the page specifiy no wide-mouth cans -- it's pretty hard NOT to
>find cheap cans with wide-mouth, so the wider, the better.  If there are
>suggestions to add, speak up

I don't know about you guys, but this seems like a giant breech of
Chunder mile rules to me.  Beer can NOT be drunk out of a widemouth can.
In addition, the beer must be greater than 5% alcahol content.  Bud Ice
satisfies both of these conditions, and is certainly not expensive.  You
have to play by the rules if anything is going to be legit.
        Otherwise, it sounds like a great evening.  Especially Rob
Mitchell's invitation to break shit at Amherst.  Cool.
        I'm not sure if Bowdoin will be able to make it to the event,
although I know that a whole bunch of us would like to be there.  I would
certainly like to participate myself and will see what I can do.  If not,
though, we are getting together a State of Maine meet with Bates and
Colby and can compare results.
        Later boys.

Matt Turnbull
BBXC

P.S. If you fellas really want to Chunder come on up to Brunswick on May
2 when we will be sure to runnin and boozin

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:45:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Michael E. Peyron" 
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Chunder

Hey Boyz,
        Just saw the page with all the times and trach talking. I want to
let you guys know as Turnbull already told you that it would be a bitch
for us to get from Springfield to Amherst on the 18th. Now you say wait a
minute Sringfield is a hop, skip, and a jump away from Amherst, but there
is a difficulty. Slovenski and his conservative utopia are a)fervently
against drinking, so we couldn't use beer miles as an excuse and b) wants
everybody to return to Bowdoin on the team bus. As co captain it would be
hard for me to say "drop us off at Amherst coach". But, I want to get our
boyz, especially Turnbull down there since he is the best in NESCAC. I
personally am shit in this race, I didn't even break ten minutes last
year and booted twice. But, it's for the spirit of competition anyways,
and also the girly dumped me last week and some drowning of sorrows would
be nice. Just keep myself or Turnbull(our ambassador) informed on how set
in stone the 18th is. I think it will be a mad phat party when it all
goes down. Peace boyz,

Peyron (the wacky chicano)
BBXC

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:11:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: "[email protected]" 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Re: new participants, rules, etc.


Vanbeerwagon and Patty O'Keg-

Scoring sounds good from our view.  One of our guys came up with numbers
that we can pin on, we're still working on it.  The t-shirt design will
hopefully go to the shop today, and that means it should be done by next
Friday, but no guarantees.  As far as timing, we are probably going to
rely on the regular old stopwatch method, because we got no
printer-stopwatches, unfortunately.  I got another email from midd, they
are not sounding too enthusiastic, but who knows.  The law in Mass is the
liquor and beer are cut off after 11pm, so we should be fine in that
respect.  I'm all for the 'selection of beer choices' option.  That's it
for now. 
Mitch

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:17:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Patrick C. Butler" 
To: "[email protected]" 
Cc: NESCAC Beer Mile Ambassadors ,
    Andrew Eisner ,
    "Benjamin M. Piecuch" ,
    Shaggy Larrivee , Lisa Levy ,
    Maureen X McMurray ,
    Michael Van Beerwegen ,
    Paul Alsdorf ,
    Meg Randall <[email protected]>,
    Peter Rodrigues ,
    "Sarah . Hann" ,
    Michele Anastasio ,
    Danica Kubick ,
    Matt Turnbull ,
    Yolanda Flamino 
Subject: new participants, rules, etc.

The latest list of "Ambassadors" for the beer mile organizational
committee.  There have been a few new faces added to the mix, so if you
respond to all, respond to this message.

A few additions to CMV's most recent proposals...

A) The new team scoring system -- basically a team gets 1 point for a
runner that finishes last, 2 for 2nd to last, ... , (# of runners total)
for first.  The team score is the sum of up to the top five, while top
seven displace.  Highest score wins.  This is just the 'inverse' of
regular cross country rules, but allows teams with less than a full squad
to compile a team score.  Is this a good compromise?

B) Choices -- we'll let each team B.Y.O.B., chosen from the following:
Miller, Budweiser, Coors, Beast and Natty.  NO LITE.  Also, the Canadian
rules on the page specifiy no wide-mouth cans -- it's pretty hard NOT to
find cheap cans with wide-mouth, so the wider, the better.  If there are
suggestions to add, speak up.

C) Officiating -- I think there will be more than enough non-competitors
to keep this in line (checking empty cans, timing, etc.).  Rob - do you
have or have access to one of those slick stopwatches that immediately
prints out the time each time a button is hit?  And do you want to get
hardcore and make things easy with a laptop or something?  I've got some
ideas... I'll let you know.

D) Uniforms -- Each team should have a theme, if not the exact same
uniform.  Preferably, school colors will be involved.

E) Racing -- I don't think it will be a problem, but if we end up with
more people in a single heat than we can handle, I suggest 2 heats, in
which each school has to split the squad and decide who's in the fast and
who's in the slow.  I don't want this to happen, but realistically, if a
third of all the people that have talked the talk actually walk the walk,
we'll be pushing 100.

F) Qualifying -- Kingston holds "The World Cup of Beer Miling" in Ontario
each August, and '98 is no exception.  Unless I actually am working then,
I'm going, and I'll take the top five interested runners from each race to
ensure I show up with big guns.  If you want a piece of the travelling
PARTY VAN, run fast.

Keep the suggestions coming.  And check the rules page for updates.


pattycake

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:50:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Michael W. Vannimwegen" 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Conn College and more

1. Team Wesleyan would definitely be interested in t-shirts.  Latest polls
show us bringing roughly 25 people, of which a little more than half would
probably get a shirt.

2. I say lite beer is out of the question.  Personally, I'm partial to
milwaukee's best but I also don't really care.  Are we saying that every
competitor is drinking the same kind?  I suggest that every team has
to drink either MGD, Bud, Coors, Natty, or the Beast (any others???);
each competitors choice.  That way there is some regulation (nobody wants
an argument when Hamilton shows up with Gatorade-tasting home brew) and
some choice (I expect choosing one beer might be difficullt).
B.Y.O.B  is not a problem and the less money Amherst has to front the
better.  Also, in whack ass connecticut (where the speed limit is still
55 mph) you can't buy any alcohol after 8pm, is there something
similar in Mass that could cause problems?

3. We just printed our uniforms last night.  Eisner-give me a number of
alums that need them.  Mitch-looks like we will be bringing along some
non-competitors to work the finish line.

 
and good news from Conn College.  we run there this weekend so we'll
work on them.  
>Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:02:53 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Danica Charlotte Kubick 
>X-Sender: [email protected]
>To: "Noah K. Lansner" 
>Subject: Re: NESCAC beer mile
>
>Hi Noah,
>       This sounds like fun, I think I can get a few team members
>motivated.  Keep in touch and let us know the latest developments.
>-Danica

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 22:24:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: "[email protected]" 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Middlebury response and other considerations.


This is the response I got from my connection at Middlebury.  Plus, some
other things to think about.

1.T-shirts; we can do them, they will be pretty cool, I hope, but they
will cost money.  We figure that free shirts to the top 3 in each race,
then the others are for sale.  We can't do it if there aren't enough
people who will buy them, cuz it cost too much. Might be twelve bucks at
the most, less if more people wish to purchase.  

2.beer choice: what do we want?  Budweiser is one option.  Are lite beers
allowed?  Maybe Miller, Bud, Coors, or Natty should be our choices.  send
in your vote or a write-in.  Then, the question-is it B.Y.O.B, or do we
need to buy?  Not to be a lame ass, but we'd prefer B.Y.O.B., or, we can
take teams out on supply runs when they get here.  

3.unis:the timekeepers/scorekeepers suggested everyone must wear some kind
of school uni or id, so they can keep track more easily.  Also, perhaps a
rep from each school to help them sort things out, help with crowd
control.  They will probably be the only sober ones there.  

4. the last and most serious note-line up designated drivers if you don't
plan staying here!  We have room for everyone, so bring sleeping bags,
etc, but we don't want people leaving drunk.  And I will send out
directions for everyone who needs them, sometime in the next few days.  

Finally, Paul, I know Meg Randall and tell her to get her ass in gear and
quit bitching about NCAA regs and all that crap!  Glad to see that yer
getting things moving there.

-Mitch

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 12:36:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michele Anastasio 97 
To: [email protected]

Mitch,
        That's a riot!  It'll be a milestone in NESCAC history.  Everyone
knows that the schools out in the boondocks know how to party the best.
I'll spread the word to the rest of the team.  Unfortunately, I think we
may be having our "Dream 10K" that night, a Midd tradition that originated
with the xc team long ago.  (Drink 4 shots of vodka at 4 min. intervals
and wash the last one down with a beer.  2 people can do it as a relay in
which each drinks 2 shots and a beer.  Then if you're still standing, get
naked, streak the dorms, and finish with a few 400s around our
state-of-the-art track that has a superb drainage system for those who
have to boot or whiz.  Needless to say, all of this makes for a night of
scandals, debauchery, and timeless tales.)  I'll let you know what they
think about driving down there on the 18th.  It's going to be a hard sell
among the women's distance team, but the men's team is a bunch of
alcoholics.  Will Williams be participating?  If I tell them the Williams
men are going, they might realize this will be their only chance to beat
them at ANYTHING!
                                                        -Michele

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 21:33:08 -0400
From: "Noah K. Lansner" 
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Conn College

Hot off the presses.  I responded, told her what was up, and that if she
wanted to you would add her to the ambassador list so that she got all the
email.  You keep me posted, I'll keep you posted.

--Livin Large


>Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:02:53 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Danica Charlotte Kubick 
>X-Sender: [email protected]
>To: "Noah K. Lansner" 
>Subject: Re: NESCAC beer mile
>
>Hi Noah,
>       This sounds like fun, I think I can get a few team members
>motivated.  Keep in touch and let us know the latest developments.
>-Danica

Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:45:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Michael W. Vannimwegen" 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors

funny, robo gave me the kielbasa that i stuck up the bear's ass in fall 95  

On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Peter Rodrigues wrote:

> 
> nice...Robo was my captain is High School. 
> 
> On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Andrew Eisner wrote:
> 
> > Pattykegs -- I'm rounding up Wes alumni faster than you can say "the Chunder 
> > from down under."  I think Robo is in; everybody else might as well concede 
> > (except that I want to see Maureen beat the puking crap out of all men from 
> > Massachusetts).  Where are the alumni from other schools?  Do you think Parker 
> > Morse can get us a big mention on the Runner's World page?  Shout out to 
> > whoever cc'ed Grote -- a mention on their page would be most excellent.  
> > (sidenote:  whoever has Grote's email, could you pass it along?  I'm up for 
> > his proposed Penn Relays challenge, particularly with next week's practice 
> > under my belt).  Is Gabe in the mix?  See you all 
> > there...                    Andrew
> > 

Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:04:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected],
    Yolanda Flamino 
To: "Patrick C. Butler" 
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors

Sounds like a good deal.  Trinity won't be at Conn this weekend, we're at 
Southern.  I think if we do head up with you guys, I definately want to 
reserve a seat on the PARTY VAN.  We're not totally sure about our 
transportation yet, but it will probably just be a bunch of random cars.  
But, we should all go up to Amherst together, if timing and everything is 
convenient.  Do you guys have a meet that weekend?  We are hosting a high 
school race on Sat. so we are just bound there until it is over-hopefully 
not too late.  I'll let you know more details about the transportation 
when we get things sorted out.

Oh, by the way, if I drive Mike V is more than welcome to come along.  
(Who is he?)  I'll talk to you later.

Yolanda
--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Patrick C. Butler wrote:

> We've got a couple cars headed up - specifically the PARTY VAN (couch,
> tv, fridge, mood-lighting).  It can seat up to eight comfortably, but I'm
> thinking it'll be more like 19.  Trinity's right on the way - do you want
> to plan on meeting there and head up together?  What's your car status
> like?  Like I said, we will have cars, and probably extra seats, so if
> there's a problem we can help you out.  If you're at Conn College this
> weekend, we can work out the details then.
> 
> pb
> 
> PS  Mike V calls shotgun in your car.
>  
> On Thu, 9 Apr 1998 [email protected] wrote:
> 
> >
> > Regarding Bowdion, I'm sure we (Trinity) can help with rides if necessary.
> > Wesleyan, want to carpool to Amherst. It will probably make things easier
> > (or not) but it should be a good time.
> >
> > Yolanda

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:35:34 -0400
From: Peter Rodrigues 
To: [email protected]
Subject: (no subject)

if you decide that you want to change the meet's date because of
Williams (which I think you should-esp. if its parents weekend) then
Tufts will go with it.

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:31:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Paul Alsdorf 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: oops

didn't mean to send that message out without finishing it.  Just wanted to
let you know what our situation is, but since it sounds like things are
already set in stone for the 18th I'll quit whining about it now.  We'll
find some way to get people to come. 

Paul

Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:21:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected],
    Yolanda Flamino 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors


Regarding Bowdion, I'm sure we (Trinity) can help with rides if necessary.
Wesleyan, want to carpool to Amherst. It will probably make things easier 
(or not) but it should be a good time.

Yolanda

Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:20:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Maureen X. Mcmurray" 
To: "Patrick C. Butler" 
Cc: Dana Bellows ,
    "Gabriel S. Wieder" ,
    "Patrick C. Butler" ,
    "[email protected]" ,
    "Benjamin M. Piecuch" ,
    Hop-Along Peter 
Subject: Re: your mail

dana bowels,
        what's the deal? rape your women? just try it dana. i really would
get a big kick out of that one. can't wait to see you next saturday so i
can laugh my ass off when you crumple into the bushes puking while
everyone passes you. and pat, there's no need for the "massholes" comment.
remember who is from massachusetts.
                              maureen X mcmurray:one woman who will not be
                              going home with the "bowels" tail between
                              her legs. 

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:19:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Paul Alsdorf 
To: ambassadors , [email protected],
    "Benjamin M. Piecuch" ,
    [email protected], [email protected],
    "Maureen X. Mcmurray" ,
    "Michael W. Vannimwegen" ,
    [email protected], Peter Rodrigues ,
    "[email protected]" ,
    "Sarah . Hann" ,
    [email protected]
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors (fwd)

Here's the scoop

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 00:09:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Meg 
To: Paul Alsdorf 
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors (fwd)

I did talk to some women and I think that we could definitely put together
a team...the thing is that I really think that it will be problematic if
it is going on next weekend because not only is it toga but also parent's
weekend...I think that we'd definitely have a much better chance of a good
showing if it were another day...So that's all I have to report at the
moment...oh, how many people are constituting a team anyway??? And is
anyone thinking that the whole NCAA/underage thing may be a problem? Hey
man, I am willing to take one for the team, jail and all, but I was just
wondering...

Meg

Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:12:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Patrick C. Butler" 
To: Dana Bellows 
Cc: "Gabriel S. Wieder" ,
    "Patrick C. Butler" ,
    "[email protected]" ,
    "Benjamin M. Piecuch" ,
    Hop-Along Peter , mmcmurray@mail
Subject: Re: your mail

Whoa.  Easy there tiger -- keep your pants on.  Maybe the sexual
harrassment laws for Massholes may be less strict than those here in CT,
but regardless, you best check yourself before you riggedy wreck yourself.

Our womens' champion will lap your horny ass.

regards,
pb

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 01:37:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dana Bellows 
To: "Gabriel S. Wieder" ,
    "Patrick C. Butler" ,
    "[email protected]" 
Cc: "Benjamin M. Piecuch" ,
    Hop-Along Peter 

 
You're not going to send us back home with our tails between our legs, but
we will have your women's tails between our legs.

Dana Bellows

Remember, Tufts will kill you all (and rape your women)

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 00:16:56 -0400
From: Peter Rodrigues 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors

Who the hell is ernest and does this kid have a death wish?
I sent that to the guys running for...we'll make sure to find out who is
at Conn College this weekend so he gets 'special treatment' in two
weeks. ;0

out-
pete

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:45:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Michael W. Vannimwegen" 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Beer Mile Ambassadors

Looks like Bowdoin is out.  They run at Springfield and don't expect to
get back to Maine until 10pm.  We offered to pick them up in Sprinfield,
we will see if they are true warriors.  

By the way, this guy's not even in our top ten:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:24:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Gabriel S. Wieder" 
To: "Patrick C. Butler" 
Subject: Re: beer

        Pat:

        I was thinking about how we might have 100 people on the
track at once.  How about this: we have a separate heat for NESCAC men's
teams, cross country rules, maximum 7 entrants per team.  Then it will be
a true showdown without any distractions.

        Earlier tonight as I took a break from my last chapter I did a
practice guzzle.  I cannot wait to send Tufts back home with their
tails between their legs.  E-mail them and tell them to bring Rodney and
Ernest.  I want to hear coach Connie yelling their splits as they get
their asses handed to them on a silver platter by the Cardinal Seven.

        As for Amhest and Williams, I plan on treating each one of them
like the little sister I never had.

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 23:21:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "[email protected]" 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors


the amherst women will put some numbers out there! (Lisa, back me up on
this).  There has also been some interest from rugby women here.  Scary,
huh? > 
> 
> Did you hear from Bowdion men and women or just men?  Seems like the 
> field is still relatively thin in the female division.
> 
> Yolanda
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> 
> On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Michael W. Vannimwegen wrote:
> 
> > we just got good news from bowdoin!!!
> > 
> > 
> 

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:31:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Turnbull 
To: [email protected]
Subject: Beer and stuff

Hey Pat,
        
        My roommate Ryan Johnson says that you are a fruitcake, but we 
all think your NESCAC beer mile page is pretty cool.  I was very suprised 
when I put the mouse over the World Records link and there I was, running 
out of a Budweiser can.  I'm flattered.

        Anyway, a lot of the boys up here (where the snow is gone and our 
boots are off) are interested in the NESCAC Chunder mile, but 
logistically April 18 doesn't look good for us.  We have a meet in 
Springfield that day and won't return to Bowdoin until 10:00, and from 
there we would have to get to Amherst or Tufts or wherever the race was.  
Unless of course you all wanted to truck up to Bowdoin, which isn't 
really the most central location, although we do have a pretty good track 
for the event.   Traditionally we have held our event the night of the 
State of Maine meet, which is May 2 this year at Colby.  That night would 
be better for us too because we would have a short trip home from Colby 
and be able to travel to Tufts or wherever.  I don't know how solid a 
date April 18 is.  

        Basically, if the event is April 18 we probably will not be able 
to make it.  I don't think Coach Slovenski would want to take a bus 
detour from Springfield to wait for us to drink beer at Amherst, although 
that would be great, and probably good PR for Bowdoin.  

Matt Turnbull
BBXC

P.S. Your brother Ben, he's a quiet guy but behind that facade--let me 
just say that we've been corrupted by living with that kid this year.  
Just ask him.  Ryan and I were nice, upstanding, reserved young men 
before we met that guy.  Now....well, people are afraid to come into our 
room.  They're even afraid to walk by the window when we're home. 

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:28:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Maureen X. Mcmurray" 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors

yeah, what's the deal with the women? we definately need more entries!
talk shit to all the women's teams until they come too.
                                                maureen X mcmurray
ps
as for beer i think we should get real nasty beer for the beer mile and
then have a decent keg for afterwards. that way we can throw up all the
bad beer and the decent beer will taste so fine....

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:18:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected],
    Yolanda Flamino 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors


Did you hear from Bowdion men and women or just men?  Seems like the 
field is still relatively thin in the female division.

Yolanda

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:13:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tilden Daniels 
To: "Michael W. Vannimwegen" 
Subject: Re: beer 

I'd be interested.
Maybe we could do it naked.

Tilden  BBXC!
>
> you guys up for a roadtrip?  check out 
> 
> http://www.con.wesleyan.edu/~pbutler/beer.html
> 
> and tell me what you think.
> 
> 
> cheers,
> michael
> 
> 
> ps-ben, long time no e-mail.  what's the deal?
> pps-tilden, heather will be there.
> ppps-matt, you've got a record to defend.
> 

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 13:06:39 -0400
From: Ryan Grote 
To: "[email protected]" 
Cc: [email protected],
    Adam Forkner ,
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected]
Subject: Re: alternative approaches to beer mile

Since I'm on this list somehow, here's an idea...How about Penn Relays for
some beer running?  I'm running the Boston Marathon that Monday, so my
already pathetic speed will be even worse.  I haven't had a sip of alcohol in
3 months due to Boston training.  Penn is 3 days after.  To make it better,
Thursday night at Penn is not only the distance stuff, but my 24th birthday.
I'll be diving off the freaking wagon headfirst.  Chances are there could be
some running or something going on that night.  Anybody going to Penn, let me
know.  I'll be there through Saturday.  I know some other hard core people
who'll be down, as well.  I have a few chicks in mind who I believe would
partake in some naked running.
Grote
Team J.E.R.K.

[email protected] wrote:

> We are open to suggestions, cuz we want as many people to join in the fun
> as possible.  Maybe while we wait for tufts we could organize some other
> events.  Or just drink.
> Mitch

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 12:20:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "[email protected]" 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors


I'm working on Middlebury, got a connection there.  No response yet.
Mitch

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 12:20:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: "[email protected]" 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors

 I like your style-
Mitch

On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Peter Rodrigues wrote:
> 
> oh yeah as for beer choice.
> 
> corona = wine coolers
> 
> anything better than Natty Ice and we're not coming.
> 
> or as alsdorf says UNLEASH THE BEAST!
> 
> 

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 01:10:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dana Bellows 
To: "[email protected]" 
Cc: TUFTS,
    [email protected]
Subject: scoring


Scoring by time sucks.  If two guys were neck and neck coming down to the
kick, it wouldn't really matter which one finished first if they had about
the same time.  XC style scoring would result in more exciting finishes
where we were running against each other instead of running for time.

Also, I hope there isn't a problem with pigs at Amherst because I am not a
big fan of them and they are not big fans of me.

Dana Bellows

P.S.  Tufts will kill you all (and rape your women)

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 00:53:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Michael W. Vannimwegen" 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Beer Mile Ambassadors

The latest from Beer Mile Headquarters:
1. Amherst, April 18, when everyone arrives

2. scoring: working on it.  suggestions???  possibilities:
                1.  what we suggested most recently, every second under a
                designated time scores a point, up to five runners.
                        pros-standardized scoring to compare to future
                        races; a one person team can score points
                        cons-full teams may not score; "complicated" math
                        may give tufts runners a headache
                2.  cross-country style
                        pros-we know the drill
                        cons-some teams may not field a scoring 5

3. the Amherst women are in and represented by Ambassador Lisa Levy

4. inviting other Nescac teams is a good idea.  we have sent e-mail to
conn college with little success.  talk to friends on other teams.
 
cheers,
mikoholic

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 22:47:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Benjamin M. Piecuch" 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors

I already invited the Bowdoin Bears.  However, I don't think they're
going to show.  They're still shoveling snow off their roofs.

 
> Finally and most important-we need to make an effort to invite ALL the
> NESCAC schools-even if they can't come. It would be a good gesture. You
> never know who might show. Those Bowdoin guys are crazy and we could bring 
> Colby dudes with us.


                                 - BEN -

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 22:29:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter Rodrigues 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors


oh yeah as for beer choice.

corona = wine coolers

anything better than Natty Ice and we're not coming.

or as alsdorf says UNLEASH THE BEAST!

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 22:26:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter Rodrigues 
To: AMBASSADORS
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors


howdy again-

okay some suggestions-
first the scoring system sucks. we should do it like xc racing. 5 score
seven(or  more) displace. If we stick with seconds under, the womens, and
even maybe the mens should be raised so we get as many people to score as
possible. (wouldn't be fun if one person frmo one school scored) And we
probably wouldn't be able to get as many women for the 2nd. 

Finally and most important-we need to make an effort to invite ALL the
NESCAC schools-even if they can't come. It would be a good gesture. You
never know who might show. Those Bowdoin guys are crazy and we could bring 
Colby dudes with us.

later,
pete

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 22:10:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter Rodrigues 
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Beer Mile (fwd)



here are our entries at the bottom....

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 21:22:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: dave stelnik 
Subject: Re: Beer Mile

This is going out to the (cool members of) mens and womens track/xc teams,

After much talk, plans have been finalized for the first official NESCAC
beer mile.  It will be (late)saturday night, April 18, 1998 at Amherst.
We have been talking with teams from Weslyan, Amherst, Trinity, and
Williams and all are definitely coming (boys and girls). Although a lot of
trash talking has been going on (mostly from us), all teams are genuinely
interested in simply having FUN (and shit beating williams)!  

Amherst has been nice enough to hold a pre- and post-party, offer place
for sleeping over (in runners' rooms/common areas), and organizing the
event. Weslyan has been orgainzing the official rules, race logistics, and
prizes.  Check out the web site
http://www.con.wesleyan.edu/~pbutler/beer.html
It has all the information you need but here are the basics:  under
modified NESCAC rules, all women and men must drink 4 12oz cans of beer
and run 4 laps in the following fashion beer/lap, beer/lap, beer/lap,
beer/lap.  If you boot before the finish, you have to run a penalty lap.

Even if you don't drink, there should be plenty of opportunity to have
fun, cheer for your teammates, and party/dance at Amherst.  Most
importantly, it is a great chance to really meet some of your "enemies" on
the track.  Most are actually cool, even though Tufts will shit beat them
all.

So far, this is the men's line up.....write back if you are left out or
are on the list and can't run.  Also, write back if
you want to go, but won't be running (don't drink, injured,etc.)  I think
we should encourage as many people as possible--even if not running.

Bellows
Stelnik
Piecuch
Rodrigues (naked; reason enough for all of us to cancel)
Kaye
Burke
Aronson
Lyons
Kronstat (with cigars)
Buggia (with crack)
Spina??????

Well, hope to hear from all of you.....

dave


PS  We may be working on a NESCAC Chocolate Milk Fun Run for those who
don't drink.  4 laps+1 gallon of Choc Milk=one long night on the shitter 

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 22:00:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter Rodrigues 
To: [email protected],
    Adam Forkner 
Cc: Paul Alsdorf ,
    "Patrick C. Butler" ,
    "[email protected]" ,
    [email protected],
    "Maureen X. Mcmurray" ,
    "Michael W. Vannimwegen" ,
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], "Sarah . Hann" 
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors



Nooooo! Now tufts is pumped up for the 18th you can;t change it now!

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 21:08:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected],
    Adam Forkner 
To: Paul Alsdorf 
Cc: "Patrick C. Butler" ,
    "[email protected]" ,
    Peter Rodrigues , [email protected],
    "Maureen X. Mcmurray" ,
    "Michael W. Vannimwegen" ,
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], "Sarah . Hann" 
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors

I am kind of partial to May 2nd myself...Anyway, anyone who would rather 
stuff his face in a book than jump into a beer mile has no business toeing 
the line in the first place!

(Plus, you have to admit, the Williams women would complement the race 
quite well.)

We can call it a study break if makes some of you feel better...

My 2 cents,


Adam

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 20:52:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Paul Alsdorf 
To: "Patrick C. Butler" 
Cc: "[email protected]" ,
    Peter Rodrigues , [email protected],
    "Maureen X. Mcmurray" ,
    "Michael W. Vannimwegen" ,
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], "Sarah . Hann" 
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors

I just talked to Meg Randall and it doesn't look like our women will be
showing up.  If we did it on May 2, they'd be able to make it, and you'd
probably get more of the men's team that day too. Since by the looks of
the page, it looks like all of you are psyched to kick our asses, it may
be worth the wait.  But, if your finals take precedence we'll show in
limited numbers on the 18th.

Paul

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 19:44:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Paul Alsdorf 
To: "[email protected]" 
Cc: Peter Rodrigues , [email protected],
    "Maureen X. Mcmurray" ,
    "Michael W. Vannimwegen" ,
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], "Sarah . Hann" 
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors



Williams is now back from our snowy spring break in vegas.  We'll have to
miss the annual track team toga party to make it, but we'll haul our
lightweight asses down to the Herst whenever this ends up happening.
As for beer, I'm all for unleashing the Beast.

Paul

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:33:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Patrick C. Butler" 
To: "[email protected]" 
Cc: Peter Rodrigues , [email protected],
    "Maureen X. Mcmurray" ,
    "Michael W. Vannimwegen" ,
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    "Sarah . Hann" 
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors

So it's official?!  Amherst.  I'll wait for the Tufts guys no matter how
late it is.  I'm going to propose a list of team rules, specific
guidelines, prizes, t-shirt ideas, etc. on the page. (here)  They'll be open to
suggestion, so check them out as soon as you can.

Get some rest.  Run fast.  Drink hard.  Thanks for working all this out on
your own.

pattykeg

PS   Eisner - I like the looks of our Alumni squad; Sarah's in as well...
PPS  Mitchell - No preference from this end for drink(s) - just quantity.
PPPS Alsdorf - Whatup.

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 19:32:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: "[email protected]" 
To: [email protected],
    Adam Forkner 
Cc: [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: alternative approaches to beer mile

We are open to suggestions, cuz we want as many people to join in the fun
as possible.  Maybe while we wait for tufts we could organize some other
events.  Or just drink.
Mitch

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 19:22:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: "[email protected]" 
To: Peter Rodrigues 
Cc: [email protected],
    "Maureen X. Mcmurray" ,
    "Michael W. Vannimwegen" ,
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    "Sarah . Hann" 
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors


I think we owe Tufts a thank you for taking the hit, and lets get down to
business!  Any word from Williams?  What preference do people have for a
pre-post-race party beer or drink?  If no one suggests anything, it will
probably end up a cheap keg, so send in some ideas.
Mitch

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 19:09:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter Rodrigues 
To: [email protected]
Cc: "Maureen X. Mcmurray" ,
    "Michael W. Vannimwegen" ,
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], "Sarah . Hann" 
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors


we talked it over---if someone frmo colby could possible back us up, I
think it is just a four team meet and no women so we might be back as
early as five. Your just gonna have to wait till we get there. They'll be
about 15 of us so its worth waiting. I guess thats it.

pete

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 01:03:08 +0300
From: Vuk Petrovic {[email protected]}
To: [email protected]
Subject: Da, da!

O da, zelim da se uclanim!
Pozdrav

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 17:57:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
To: "Maureen X. Mcmurray" 
Cc: Peter Rodrigues ,
    "Michael W. Vannimwegen" ,
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], "Sarah . Hann" 
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors

Well, I've yet to speak with the senior ambassador from Amherst, Rob "the
sack" Mitchell but I would like to go soon rather than push it towards
exams.  Tufts:  we got the endurance.  If you get hear at 11, we can
probably push back race time until 12 or a little later to give you time
to errrr warmup.  Also, why don't we work on some kind of creative
solution.  "Coach Tufts, we need to go straight from Colby to the Mullins
Center to see our very favorite band in the whole world" or something like
that, or you could just tell him you're going to the NESCAC beer mile...
other ideas?
shags

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:52:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Maureen X. Mcmurray" 
To: Peter Rodrigues 
Cc: "Michael W. Vannimwegen" ,
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    "Sarah . Hann" 
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors

here's my vote: no

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 15:11:19 -0400
From: Peter Rodrigues 
To: "Michael W. Vannimwegen" 
Cc: [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected],
    "Maureen X. Mcmurray" ,
    [email protected], "Sarah . Hann" 
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors

what do people think of  a change of date---here's why...

thanks---
tufts xc


----forwarded message------

Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors (fwd)
   Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:53:08 -0400 (EDT)
   From: dave stelnik

I agree, we need to take them on even if it means going to Amherst.  BUt
how the fuck (seriously) are we going to be able to go from Colby to
Tufts (get in at 9 pm) and drive out to shitsville on time.  Even if we
do, we'll be running 5 minutes after getting there.  What about the
weekend after NESCAC (fuck exams)?  Seniors shouldn't give a fuck about
exams. Juniors are fuck ups anyway.  The Sophomores are somewhat
intelligent and can handle a night off of studying. And the freshmen,
while not too bright, should all graduate ontime regardless of this
semester's exams. Should we propose a date change as a compromise??

dave

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:46:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sarah Hann 
To: "Patrick C. Butler" 
Subject: Re: MMM...BEER (fwd)

definately agree, women should ahve the same rules as men, and should race
at the same time as men, not only is this fair as far as women's lib is
concerned, but also as far as team unity, comradery, bonding etc...

Sarah

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:53:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Patrick C. Butler" 
To: [email protected]
Cc: Peter Rodrigues ,
    "Michael W. Vannimwegen" ,
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected],
    "Maureen X. Mcmurray" ,
    Andrew Eisner ,
    "Sarah . Hann" 
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors

Alright, here's the deal...

Both Amherst and Tufts make good points in their hosting arguments.  Here
are my concerns:

1. Bobby Mitchell is right in that this whole beer mile thing might be
just a ploy *** CENSORED *** that sounds like a great idea.  We could
pull some Power Ranger or Voltron shit and combine forces and
wreak havoc.  *** CENSORED ***

2. The burlies at Tufts also make a good argument both for themselves and
Maine schools, especially because most of them are at Colby that day and
don't get back until late.

3. There are a bunch of other factors - I like the naked security Amherst
provides although the destruction of property at Tufts appeals to my
sensitive side; a well-lit track could be good or bad; and I know that the
funk fest might cost money, but does Tufts want Rob Mitchell buck drunk
naked so close to their homes? and what's with no Tufts womens' squad?


Here's what we propose: *** CENSORED ***
In the wise words of rrmitchell, let's just have fun.


Forever yours,
PBUTLER

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:39:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected],
    Adam Forkner 
To: [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected]
Subject: alternative approaches to beer mile

I kind of like Grote's method (drink beforehand) although I suppose it would 
be a challange to ensure proper drinking with so many competetors...

This method may be more suited to my blood--my cousin ran one a couple 
years ago at altitute in Boulder; he went 4:46.  The next day, Arturo 
Barrios came up to him on the track and congratulated him...  


    Adam

bamboozle (figure it out)
http://www.eecs.tufts.edu/~jburke/

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 23:46:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: "[email protected]" 
To: "Michael W. Vannimwegen" 
Cc: "Patrick C. Butler" 
Subject: Re: future frothy endeavors


On Mon, 6 A
scoring:  what do you think of adding the TOTAL number of SECONDS under 10
> minutes for each team member, up to seven.  and this way, every team
> should put some points on the board.
-good idea, i'm running it by our current senior math major, and the
timekeepers/scorers, more later 
> 2.  t-shirts:  we are definitely working on a Wes team jersey.  An event
> shirt would be awesome if you want to take that on.  Though, you may have
> other things to worry about.  
> 
> 3.  awards:  speaking of t-shirts, we were thinking it would be cool to
> have an all Nescac (top 14?) shirt.  and maybe the winner gets a special
> shirt to don at the Nescac meet the following week and for future Nescac
> meets (although Butler and Van Beerwegen will be graduating...hopefully).  
> also, we are thinking that the winner(s) should get some sort of trophy
> that you can drink out of and can be engraved.  
-the trophys will be easy.  The t-shirts, we have this place here that
can do 36 for 6 bucks a piece if you only do one side lettering.  we'll
work on the prize t-shirts, though.  
> 4.  tufts:  you probably got their messages about tufts wanting to host.
> boy are they feisty.  i will run it whenever and wherever but i would
> rather see it at amherst.  mainly, cause i want to beat williams and i
> think they might skip out if it's at tufts, whereas they would have no
> excuse if you host.  maybe you should make an official proposal.  
-I made a proposal, then read tufts' latest, which points out that they
will be returning late from their meet, and it would be difficult for them
to make it here.  but, what about williams?  maybe the answer is a
telegraph meet-held in separate locations, with results 'telegraphed' and
compiled.  not perfect, but a suggestion.  Probably depends on the
williams situation.
> 5.  beer:  should we all drink the same brew or not?  you mentioned the
> "implement weighing," i think there needs to be some way to make sure
> people don't tamper before hand.  an easy solution would be to have one
> kind.  but part of the strategy relies upon your knowledge of beer.
-we are having this debate here.  One solution:we take a hit and buy all
the beer in bulk, then charghe an entry fee.  that might help with
t-shirts, etc.  of course, who would keep _us_ from tampering...
> 6.  4 beers for women???:  women from several schools have expressed a
> concern with the traditional three beer competition.  namely, they want to
> play with the full 48 ounzes just like the boys.  the word from Wes and
> trinity women is four, what about the amherst gals?  Also, if the men and
> women are drinking the same amount then there is a single standard whether
> we run together or not.  and i think it would fun to run together although
> the field is growing quickly and the logistics of everyone on the track at
> the same time might be sketchy.
-women's lib would probably appeal to the chicks here
> 
> 7.  officiating:  if the men and women run separately then each could
> referee when not running.  i think we need people on the dark sides of the
> track to monitor for potential vomiters.  also, people need to make sure
> beers are finished.  
-have sent out email soliciting help from amherst-non-competitors, and
have about five volunteers, including several football-types to be
enforcers and boot spotters.

finally, the guys here are getting so fired up, have had several
alternative events suggested for non-miler types, like the 4x40-oz, and
4x100 relays, etc.  some crazy, others doable.  I think first priority
this week is getting the site fixed.  Anyway, as I wrote in the email to
tufts, we think it should ultimately be up to you, although everyone here
is all fired up.
Take it easy, and enjoy life.
Mitch

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 23:28:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: "[email protected]" 
To: "Jason M. Burke" 
Cc: Peter Rodrigues ,
    [email protected],
    stephen edward kaye , [email protected],
    Dana Bellows ,
    dave stelnik ,
    Adam ,
    Adrian Wilairat ,
    Pre ,
    Geoffrey North ,
    Jason Kronstat ,
    Jason Burke ,
    Matthew Spina ,
    Sean Aronson 
Subject: Re: why we need to run at Tufts


On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, Jason M. Burke wrote:

> 
> 
> Where are the other candidates for host?  
> Amherst? Ha-ha! Well, maybe they do have a valid desire to host the
> run--I mean it would be the 3rd craziest thing to happen over in no-man's
> land besides, when the College gets shit beat by UMass in a snowball
> fight, or even better--when the wind blows.  Amherst as a host is a joke.
> Would they have the Olympic games in Omaha? 
> 
> I don't know what other schools have made a bid, but I assure you: Tufts
> Unviersity in Medford MA is the prime location for an extravaganza like
> this.  



When the wind blows in Medford, the entire tufts team gets a damn hard-on,
on a good day, if they aren't too busy looking at kiddie porn on the
internet.  At least Amherst has UMass-Medford is the capital of shit!  And
try to sell that 'central location' crap to Hamilton!  Personally, though,
I think it would be fun to party with you guys if you could get off your
high horses.  Wherever we do it, we plan to have fun.  I say we leave it
up to Wesleyan-they are the true instigators of this thing.  As far as
selling points for Amherst:
there is a notable lack of security, but just enough to make things
interesting, maybe provide a chase or two. 
The country air is good for the lungs, and promotes horniness among women
if held here, it is more likely that williams will show, and that is what
we all want to do, right-kick williams' ass!
on the basis of performance, who had the best showing at Nationals this
year?

Respectfully, 
Mitch

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:17:39 -0400
From: "Andrew S. Malick" 
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: beer mile


Butler,
        I have been reading all of the posts on your web page and am
dissapointed. Trinity ranked a TOP FIVE party school in the country has not
even been mentioned as a serious contender. Let other nescac schools be
warned Trinity is in and ready to defend it's reputation! Enough said!!

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 22:32:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
To: Peter Rodrigues 
Cc: "Michael W. Vannimwegen" ,
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    "Maureen X. Mcmurray" ,
    [email protected], "Sarah . Hann" 
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors

Hello All,
We understand the difficulty, but having been to Tufts, which is spread
all over Hell and Medford (actually one in the same place), I have some
reservations about the idea.  First and foremost, security seemed anal.
Here at Amherst we can get superbly drunk wherever we choose and stumble
all over campus,  certain that security will not only look the other
way, but offer us a bottle opener for that Corona.  Where is the track in
relation to your party spot?  We also have a nifty party spot and drunken
athletes can wonder all over campus (with or without clothing) without
fear of being stopped...  Any chance you can come straight from Colby to
Amherst?  Your coach should understand, its for a good cause...
open to ideas
brian "shaggy" L.
ps in the tradition of good will and ambassadorship: Your school sucks

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 22:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter Rodrigues 
To: "Michael W. Vannimwegen" 
Cc: [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected],
    "Maureen X. Mcmurray" ,
    [email protected], "Sarah . Hann" 
Subject: Re: Beer Mile Ambassadors


From the BURLY boys (as pbutler likes to call us) at Tufts to all of
you-HOWDY!

WE are all getting very excited for this beer mile stuff and are glad
there is lots of interest-the more people there are the more people WE
beat. Don't worry this isn't a trash talk email. 

The reason I am writing is to make sure everyone knows why Tufts would
like to hold the event at TUFTS. Our main reason would be that we along
with Bates, and possibly others, are at COLBY that weekend. If we race
there then we arrive home at approx. 9pm there is a good chance we will be
piss drunk within five minutes of arriving on our campus. So we wouldn't
make it-and that would be a damn shame especially since we are the best
team in the field.

So in closing I would like you to consider us for hosting. We can provide
entertainment rival if not better to that of Amherst. So speak up please. 

AND GET READY TO DENY YOUR MAKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pete
Reigning Naked Quad Run Champion '97

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:41:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Michael W. Vannimwegen" 
To: [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    [email protected], [email protected],
    "Maureen X. Mcmurray" ,
    [email protected], "Sarah . Hann" 
Subject: Beer Mile Ambassadors

We have heard from most of you in regards to the upcoming beer mile
extravaganza.  In an effort to separate the thoughtful planning from the
thoughtless bantering, we have created this list of team ambassadors.
Still needed are representatives from the Amherst women, Williams women,
and Tufts women; please make any appointments or appropriate changes.  
We think the concensus is the more the merrier so contact any friends on
other teams, although we have been keeping solely Nescac (Yale and
Brandeis have expressed interest).

The date seems to be set as the 18th.  As for the site, Amherst made the
first offer as host but Tufts recently submitted their proposal.  These
two schools have had their differences this spring (where is the Bear
anyway?) so let's see if we can figure it out as a group.  We are willing
to go wherever but have feeling that more would go to Amherst.  Is this
true?

Others things to figure out are listed on the page.  Start thinking about
race entries so we can figure out the seeds.   Good work so far.

Cheers,
  Pattykeg Butler 
        and
Michael Van Beerwegen


ps-is anyone else planning on having alumni entries?

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:18:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected],
    Yolanda Flamino 
To: "Patrick C. Butler" 
Subject: Re: MMM...BEER


I'm all for having the meet at a non-centrally located site, unless of 
course that site is far away from beautiful Hartford, which I'm sure is 
willing to host. (hint,hint)  But, by all means let's have it where most 
people will be able to go-if it isn't going to make a difference as to 
what teams/people show up it need not be a huge issue.

Yo

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:45:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Michael W. Vannimwegen" 
To: "[email protected]" 
Cc: "Patrick C. Butler" 
Subject: Re: future frothy endeavors

THIS WILL BE POSTED ON THE PAGE IMMEDIATELY, SO ALL WITH THOUGHTS/IDEAS/
CONCERNS PLEASE RESPOND 


Mitch, We were talking about the event on our warmup and I think you had
the exact same conversation over there.  Here's what we came up as things
to figure out:

1. scoring:  the original plan on the page was very rough and might not be
that great with the turn out we are expecting (check the page).  we want
to reward the teams with big turnouts and those with just a couple big
guns.  cross country style scoring doesn't let a team score if they have
less than the scoring amount (there might a few teams with less than five
or so).  what do you think of adding the TOTAL number of SECONDS under 10
minutes for each team member, up to seven.  and this way, every team
should put some points on the board.

2.  t-shirts:  we are definitely working on a Wes team jersey.  An event
shirt would be awesome if you want to take that on.  Though, you may have
other things to worry about.  

3.  awards:  speaking of t-shirts, we were thinking it would be cool to
have an all Nescac (top 14?) shirt.  and maybe the winner gets a special
shirt to don at the Nescac meet the following week and for future Nescac
meets (although Butler and Van Beerwegen will be graduating...hopefully).  
also, we are thinking that the winner(s) should get some sort of trophy
that you can drink out of and can be engraved.  

4.  tufts:  you probably got their messages about tufts wanting to host.
boy are they feisty.  i will run it whenever and wherever but i would

rather see it at amherst.  mainly, cause i want to beat williams and i
think they might skip out if it's at tufts, whereas they would have no
excuse if you host.  maybe you should make an official proposal.  

5.  beer:  should we all drink the same brew or not?  you mentioned the
"implement weighing," i think there needs to be some way to make sure
people don't tamper before hand.  an easy solution would be to have one
kind.  but part of the strategy relies upon your knowledge of beer.

6.  4 beers for women???:  women from several schools have expressed a
concern with the traditional three beer competition.  namely, they want to
play with the full 48 ounzes just like the boys.  the word from Wes and
trinity women is four, what about the amherst gals?  Also, if the men and
women are drinking the same amount then there is a single standard whether
we run together or not.  and i think it would fun to run together although
the field is growing quickly and the logistics of everyone on the track at
the same time might be sketchy.


7.  officiating:  if the men and women run separately then each could
referee when not running.  i think we need people on the dark sides of the
track to monitor for potential vomiters.  also, people need to make sure
beers are finished.  

well that's it for now.  glad to see this thing will happen.  i like that
you are looking at it as a night long adventure rather than just the mile.  
keep up the good work.

cheers,
Michael Van Beerwegen
Pattykeg Butler

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:19:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Patrick C. Butler" 
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: MMM...BEER

It's funny that you mention the 4 vs. 3 problem... the last time our
womens' team tried one of these, they insisted on 4 too.  Those Canadian
rules must be behind the times.  I (and every other Wes female
participant) prefer to see everyone drink 4 too.  I'm all for running one
heat too, but the way things are going, we may be pushing the limits of a
track race field (though you guys made me run in a 23-person steeplechase
field last weekend).

I have to write a bunch of other interested parties back right now - we're
still nailing down location.  Amherst is game, and has big plans for all
that attend (and it's closer to both of us), of course we'd have it, but
Tufts is pushing for a "centrally located" meet in Boston.  They're kinda
pushy and burly though, so I don't know.

I'm putting all the e-mail I get pertaining to this stuff on the page
every few hours, so it'll have everything you'll need to know.  If you
have a preference on the rules or site or post-party ideas, keep us
informed.  Thanks for the note!

pattycake

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:56:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected],
    Yolanda Flamino 
To: [email protected]
Subject: MMM...BEER


Your beer mile e-mail page is awesome!  I was reading over the rules and 
I really think that women should not have to drink 3 beers, but 4 beers.  
Why the change?  I am one of the last people to speak for womens-lib. 
stuff, but come on.  Also, are men and women going to compete at 
the same time?  I think we should if there aren't too many people.   
Men and women should have the same rules so that times can be compared.  
This, of course, could potentially lead to some very key bragging rights.

Yolanda

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:18:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jason M. Burke" 
To: [email protected], [email protected],
    Peter Rodrigues 
Cc: "Benjamin M. Piecuch" ,
    Dana Bellows ,
    dave stelnik ,
    Adam ,
    Adrian Wilairat ,
    Pre ,
    Geoffrey North ,
    Jason Kronstat ,
    Matthew Spina ,
    Sean Aronson ,
    Steve 

I'm actually beginning to have second thoughts on running. I've seen the
hairiness that is Peter Rodrigues and I'm still quivering in fright. When
"gonzales'" pink panties come off on the Ding Desault Oval in Medford,
MA, that will me the official start of this monstrosity

6 April, 19:17 
NEWS: Adam Clinton Buggia has just announced his entrance into the 1998
NESCAC beer mile. Add another several points to Tufts' score.

On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, Peter Rodrigues wrote:

> and your teammates and get back to me. Also note the forward at the
> bottom. Its my favorite style-considering that my fondness for
> nakedness.
> 
> Pete
> reigning Tufts Naked Quad Run Champ '97

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:39:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jason M. Burke" 
To: Peter Rodrigues 
Cc: [email protected], [email protected],
    stephen edward kaye , [email protected],
    Dana Bellows ,
    Peter Rodrigues ,
    dave stelnik ,
    Adam ,
    Adrian Wilairat ,
    Pre ,
    Geoffrey North ,
    Jason Kronstat ,
    Jason Burke ,
    Matthew Spina ,
    Sean Aronson 
Subject: Re: why we need to run at Tufts

I second that "emotion."  Where else to have it but right outside of
Boston: Centrally located, and a campus, free to destroy for all its
worth.

Where are the other candidates for host?  
Amherst? Ha-ha! Well, maybe they do have a valid desire to host the
run--I mean it would be the 3rd craziest thing to happen over in no-man's
land besides, when the College gets shit beat by UMass in a snowball
fight, or even better--when the wind blows.  Amherst as a host is a joke.
Would they have the Olympic games in Omaha? 

I don't know what other schools have made a bid, but I assure you: Tufts
Unviersity in Medford MA is the prime location for an extravaganza like
this.  

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 18:24:33 -0400
From: Peter Rodrigues 
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: why we need to run at Tufts

Dear Runners-

This is Tufts' proposal to hold the 1998 NESCAC Beer mile Championship
on their home track in beautiful Medford, MA. The reason for this mainly
is Tufts central location to all NESCAC schools. Tufts is two hours form
every where-Mass, CT, and especially our Maine brethren. Therefore it
seems logical that Tufts hold the race. 

Most of all-we have the favorite in Dana Bellows. THat should be taken
into consideration.

In addition-the Tufts campus has been opened up for destruction. That
is  you will have free reign to rape, pillage and burn whatever you
like. Also, we 'burly boys' as you say know how to throw a good party.
Think about it. How funky can a funk fest at amherst really be? 
Moreover-we on the Tufts Track team have known to be instigators in many
confrontations with fellow university students. We want you all to enjoy
this aspect of college life too. Please send this along to other teams
and your teammates and get back to me. Also note the forward at the
bottom. Its my favorite style-considering that my fondness for
nakedness.

Pete
reigning Tufts Naked Quad Run Champ '97
----------forwarded message---------------

     Subject: Re: roots
        Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 16:05:10 -0400
       From:  Ryan Grote 
 Organization:Runners Pace
         To: Peter Rodrigues 

Pretty cool, thats the most official thing I've seen on Beer Miling. 
I've run a beer mile in that format and in another one wherein each
competitor is to buy a sixpack, dring five of the six in a 30 minute
period, then go to the track, line up at the starting line with the 6th
beer in hand and get naked.  The gun goes off, you down the beer (guys
and girls) and haul ass. A mile can be a long haul naked and chilled. 
This format is easier on those who have been known to throw down massive
amounts of alcohol at times (me) but aren't too adept at chugging beers
(me).  When I did this, there were lightweights who are sloshed and
couldn't run straight, so I won the damn thing.  I was a bit buzzed, but
relatively unaffected other than a few burps and a bit of stomach
sloshing.  Don't remember the time exactly, somewhere in the 4:50 range
I believe.  The official format is tougher, I don't like the stop and go
stuff.
Grote
Team J.E.R.K.

Peter Rodrigues wrote:

> just so you guys don't forget what it was like to be in college check
> this out.....
>
> http://www.con.wesleyan.edu/~pbutler/beer.html
>
> pete


Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 18:14:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "[email protected]" 
To: "Patrick C. Butler" 
Cc: "Michael W. Van Nimwegen" 
Subject: Re: future frothy endeavors


Here is the latest from the race venue:
The funk festival has an admission price, so that sucks, I thought it was
free.  No worry, either we'll storm the gate or find something more fun to
do.  The schedule of events, loose and preliminary, might be something
like this:
7-9pm:visiting teams arrive in amherst, find Davis 202(race HQ), for
check-in and weighing of implements.  
9-9:45pm warmup in Davis 202 curtesy of your gracious hosts(maybe a few
tune-up competitions)
9:45-make our way to the track
10pm race time(do we want men and women separate?  Iguess that depends on
number of competitors, etc.)
10:30-? terrorize Amherst campus, with posswible side trips to Smith, Mt.
Holyoke.  Possible:more drinking, naked relays, etc.


Other considerations:t-shirts?  we could get some made for about 8 bucks a
piece, 6 bucks if we keep it simple.  We have timers here volunteered, but
maybe we need a committee or some bullshit to manage disputes.  probably
more interesting to just let it come down to drunken arguments.  I'm
working on trophys, men's, women's ind. and team, plus we have a "best
boot" trophy from years past.  Probably good to make sure everyone has
designated drivers or, we will make sure there are accomodations, in
common rooms, etc.  At any rate, I'm hoping we can make this a great big
fun party, as well as a mile. 
Take it easy, 
Mitch

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 15:57:06 -0400
From: "Noah K. Lansner" 
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Bantams in for the Beer Mile

YEAH!!!!!
Bring it on!
My friend from Bates said he would like to know the site (i.e. Wes or
Amherst) ASAP so that he could try and get more definite answers from
people.  He also suggested we at least make an attempt to talk to Colby,
Bowdoin, Middlebury, etc. and see if any of them are interested/can make it.

Bates and Colby are both at Colby on the 18th, while I believe that Bowdoin
is at home (at least their women's team is), but Butler probably knows
better than I do.

see y'all at practice

NKL

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 14:17:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Benjamin M. Piecuch" 
To: "Patrick C. Butler" 
Subject: Beermile

Hey Pat,
        
        Since I've become a lightweight in my older years, I haven't
become part of the badgering and hoop-la.  However, I can vouch for my
teammates' performances in our first, and only beermile.  The results,
though dated, can be found at:

    www.tufts.edu/as/athletics/XCTRACK/beermile.html

They are accurate and real.  I certainly remember all 10 and a half
minutes of my run, which is probably the reason I haven't done it again.
Now, on with the taunting and all the fun stuff.  I'll talk to you soon.
                                 - BEN -


Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:56:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected],
    Adam Forkner 
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Bantams in for the Beer Mile


Yeah, the 18th seems to be good on our end although I regret it does not 
work for me personally.  Good beer mile page, Wes, but I noticed that our 
results from last May are absent from your world list.  I submitted them 
to the Kingston page, but for some uncanny reason, they never made it up 
there.  FYI, our defending champ is back--that little ironman Lavigne took 
it in 7:25, and has sub-7:00 ambitions this year...Also, Yoda Flamino is 
planning on toeing the line... 

Keep us posted on the details--whether it is at Wes, Ameherst, whatever.

BTW, I think some of the predictions posted are way off line.  How easily 
people forget that Trinity is currently ranked the #5 party school in the 
nation...  Expect some competition from the Bants.


Cheers,

Adam

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:59:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Patrick C. Butler" 
To: "Jason M. Burke" 
Cc: "Michael W. Van Nimwegen" 
Subject: Re: Tufts will win

Strong words.  So am I assuming you're in?  I could ramble on about the
origins of my comrade's nickname "Crazy Mikey V", but I can't do it
justice without showing you.  Stats for MV last week: 6 days, 3 cases.
Nuff said.

Let's dance.

dirty pat


Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:16:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jason M. Burke" 
To: "Patrick C. Butler" 
Subject: Tufts will win
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Attached is an example of what happens when Tufts XC gets pushed, and we
feel pushed. Dr. Dana J. Bellows, just minutes ago chugged a can of Coke
in 19.5 seconds. David Stelnik, last night drank 5 beers, went to a bar at
Harvard and had 15 more drinks, came back to Tufts and drank 4 more, and
Dan Dawson and Jason Burke have been known to split a 30 pack and reenact
the NESCAC deer incident before proceeding to cause $2000 worth of damage
to a Tufts Dorm.

Let me sum that up...Tufts will win.

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 00:43:23 -0400
From: Peter Rodrigues 
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: [Fwd: Beer Mile]

Howdy...

Mr. Mitchell-- I've included you because it looks like you are in charge
from the amherst end. Here are a couple emails from my teammate. As for
Tufts, we seem to be in, but I haven't gotten everyone's response.
I'll keep ya posted. 

pete

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 00:32:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dana Bellows {[email protected]}
To: Peter Rodrigues {[email protected]}
Cc: "Benjamin M. Piecuch" {[email protected]},
    Adam {[email protected]},
    Adrian Wilairat {[email protected]},
    Pre {[email protected]},
    dave stelnik {[email protected]},
    Geoffrey North {[email protected]},
    Jason Kronstat {[email protected]},
    Jason Burke {[email protected]},
    Matthew Spina {[email protected]},
    Sean Aronson {[email protected]},
    Steve {[email protected]}
Subject: Re: Beer Mile

uh oh, seems like we have a challenge.  This kid is talking shit, and I'm
taking it personally.  I'm going to tell Connie tomorrow that from now on,
I'm bringing a case of beer to every practice to get in shape for this
beer mile when we kick the shit out of the rest of NESCAC.  I'm going sub
six in this race and I dare anyone to try to stay with me, or at least not
get lapped by me. 

>
>Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 22:19:45 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Michael W. Vannimwegen" {[email protected]}
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: beer
> 
>6:40 and 10 cents won't even buy you a cup of coffee.
>bring it punk-ass.
> 
>michael
>


Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 23:25:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Patrick C. Butler" 
To: "[email protected]" 
Cc: "Michael W. Van Nimwegen" 
Subject: Re: future frothy endeavors

Wonderful... we were thinking the 18th as well.  Tufts has got some
attitude apparently (Crazy Mikey V is sending something moementarily) so I
suggest they go down as well.  Funk fest?  That would add to the fun.
Thanks for the comments on the page -  I have to admit that Anheiser Busch
can take credit for most of it.  I just customized it to suit our needs,
just as I will personalize their beer to suit my needs when this goes
down.  I just updated the page with insults and what not - it'll be fresh
often.  We'll let you know what kind of competitors we have too.  Trinity
wants in (rumor some of us chewed their ear of this weekend) and my bro at
Bowdoin should drag some friends along.  We have ins at Bates too.  We'll
get numbers, transportation, site, etc. pinned down this week.  Speaking
of pinned down... Williams has been hiding (too much work? please!) - maybe a
message to Meg Randall is in order.  Talk to you soon.....

pb max


On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, [email protected] wrote:

>
> PB-
> love the page, puts ours to shame.  People here aren't sure about next
> Saturday, although we would be willing hosts.  Seems that some(quite a
> few, actually) think that religious observances take precedence over the
> few, actually) think that religious observances take precedence over the
> beer mile.  If you all wanted to take me on and anyone who is left, come
> on over, but Amherst will be seriously understrength next weekend.
> Perhaps Little Threes weekend.  There is some kind of funk festival here
> that weekend, too, so a post-race mixer could be fun.  Anyway, what do you
> think?  I thinkwe definitely have to embarass williams if they come.
> Mitch
>
>

 Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 20:53:29 -0400
 From: Peter Rodrigues {[email protected]}
 To: [email protected], [email protected]
 Subject: beer mile

I'm assuming ben will forward this to you but in case he doesn't here's
Tufts' response to a Beer mile.

Word is Trinity, led by Yo Flamino is in on it. She actually first let
us know early this weekend.

Good luck, and my perdiction is Tufts wins by a landslide. Thanks to our
quiet and unassuming Junior class.

Pete

Forwarded message....

>Subject: Re: Beer Mile
   Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 20:39:48 -0400 (EDT)
   From: Dana Bellows 

Don't I already have the unofficial NESCAC record?  6:40 or something.
Tell those homos from Amherst and Wesleyan that Tufts is going to
fucking destroy them.



Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:12:59 -0400
From: "Patrick C. Butler" {[email protected]}
To: "Sarah . Hann" {[email protected]},
"Michael W. Van Nimwegen" {[email protected]}
Subject: beer woes

Our schedule for the next nine weeks...

Someone pointed out that the 11th falls on Easter weekend (is that
right?).  Does this mean that the 18th is better?  After all, how many
beer-milers (that care) will be running Penn's?

Also - we gotta keep making a mess of these forwards.  If you write
anybody else, include all this shiz.

Sarah - thought you might want to be in on our thought processes; that's
why you're CC'd.

  S  M  T  W  T  F  S
 ----- APRIL 98 -----
|          1  2  3  4| - Wes @ Trin. Invite (4th)
| 5  6  7  8  9 10 11| - Wes @ CC Invite (11th)
|12 13 14 15 16 17 18| - Little Three's @ Williams (18th)
|19 20 21 22 23 24 25| - Penn Relays (22nd-24th), NESCAC's (25th-26th)
|26 27 28 29 30      |
 ------ MAY 98 ------
|                1  2| - Women NE DIII's, Men @ Springfield Invite (2nd)
| 3  4  5  6  7  8  9| - Men NE DIII's, Women @ ECAC's (9th)
|10 11 12 13 14 15 16| -
|17 18 19 20 21 22 23| - NCAA DIII's
|24 25 26 27 28 29 30| - Wesleyan Graduation, Joe/Deb's Wedding (24th)
|31                  |
 --------------------

We have a few other scheduled events, these are just what I can remember off the top of my head.

CHECK OUT http://www.con.wesleyan.edu/~pbutler/beer.html FOR UPDATES


To: "Andrew Eisner" {[email protected]}
From: "Patrick C. Butler" {[email protected]}
Subject: future frothy endeavors

I've been thinking about scoring:

3 races:
1. Mens' Championship - Score 20-16-14-12-10-8-6-4-2-1 for top ten
2. Women's Championship - Same 20-16-14-12-10-8-6-4-2-1 for top ten
3. Open Championship - Score 20-15-10-8-6-4-2-1 for top eight

Unlimited entrants in any event for a school, though Races #1 and #2 must
be current runners and #3 is open to anybody.  For the Total Team Title,
the sum of points in the first two races and the sum of points who have an
affiliation to the school in #3 will win (Affiliation = alum, coach,
family).  This way, a school without a huge squad could conceiveable do
quite well.

Here's the way I see it right now:

MENS CHAMPIONSHIP - We have to be the outright favorites in this category.
I am undefeated with a 7:07 PR, MV is not far behind and Noah Lansner ran
8:16jr barefoot.  We might be the most experienced, and have a lot of dark
horses that are just waiting to try it for the first time.  Amherst has
Rob Mitchell of course, who we've heard is a big drinker and also not to
bad a runner.  Seeing that he can run a sub 5 minute mile without beer,
we'll have to beat him by 15 seconds or so each beer to keep up (but they
don't call him Mr. Boot for nothing). They also have Big Boy AC, Brokie,
Double Fisted Chandler, Guinness Beim, Hung, Willis, now Perlow, and who
knows what the Hogg can do. All could fare well in the running part, but
none frighten me too much unless they drink more than I think they do.
Williams has wheels, yes, but besides Paul Alsdorf, I'm not sure how much
drinking experience they have. I have a strange feeling Brendan Burns and
Dan McCue might be half decent as well as Shad Miller (but Shad's allergic
to wheat so he can't even carbo load). Tough to call... And then Tufts -
Ben Piecuch was a pioneer in the event and used to rank with the best is his
prime.  They have some big burly boys there, so I think they could
conceivably be the real dark horses.  It's probably a little far too travel
so if they're there, they'll do well.  Bowdoin has the NESCAC record holder
and two or three races under their belts but has to travel a long way to
compete.  But the way this scores, you never know.  Other schools like Conn
College, Trinity and others in the area have expressed no interest as of yet -
this may change.

WOMENS CHAMPIONSHIP: We have some serious contenders in our freshman
class.  They might even be the scoring power of the squad, especially with
an injured Hertz.  Kelly Jennings of Amherst drank you under the table in
Bermuda.  Remember?  I don't know very much about other teams too except
that 4 beers for the 100-pounders at Williams might put them in a coma.

OPEN CHAMPIONSHIP: The people to fear, if they run  - Erik Nedeau
(Amherst):  I've heard party stories on the guy, and watched his olympic
trial race to know we've got to party hardy to compete.  But, his sac
may be of questionable size.  James Johnson (Bowdoin):  Sub-7 minute
performances in school, but where is he now?  Any ex-Williams runners now
on the bottle.. anything can happen.  Don Baril, Freight Train
Thane, and Parker Morse might even show up - and who knows, perhaps my
father will run for them.  But look at our potential squad - Sarah Hann is
as frisky as ever, the class of 96 will represent, and Maureen's (a frosh
here now) Yale grad brother ran sub SIX over spring break.  Talk about
ringers - hey, technically Gretchen and Spike Paranya are alum, and Karl's
family so who knows?

POSSIBLE OTHER EVENTS: We were thinking that those that were seeking digestive
torture of the non-alcohol variety might want to step up to the gallon of milk
challenge.  1 hour - 1 gallon, no emptying of orifices (or is it orifii?).
4x4 Ben & Jerry's (4 x Pint, Mile), T-Shirt Runs (put a t-shirt on every lap
and see how long you can do sub-80's) and backwords steeplechases have been
brought up too.

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:30:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "[email protected]" {[email protected]}
To: "Patrick C. Butler" {[email protected]}
Subject: Re: URGENT! Wild Animal Loose! (fwd)

...
sleep over the fact that their women are a bunch of cows!  Anyway, we had
fun, thanks for the challenge, and we will begin planning the 1998 NESCAC
beer mile.  Questions include:site, date, transportation/accomodation
post-race, and what kind of brew?
Mitch

Last year's winner...




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