GG: Even its worst enemy could never lay claim that Essiac had any deletrious side effects whatever. You can take Essiac safely, through all the clinical trials that have been done, up to six ounces a day. That's two ounces in the evening, two in the morning, and two around noontime. That's a high dosage. Rene had the correct herbs and she used as little as one ounce a week. But look at the difference between then and now. The food didn't have carcinogens in it, and neither did the water, nor the air. So that have we done? We've killed the air, killed the water, killed the food. So what's left? Nationwide in the water we drink, over 2,100 organic and inorganic chemicals have been identified, and 156 of them are pure carcinogens. Of those, if you have a tumor, 26 are tumor promoting, so they make the tumor larger. But of course this information is not available to the public either. Those figures are from tests conducted by the Environmental Protection Agency which have never been distributed to the public.

ER: How did you get the information?

GG: From a Ralph Nader organization out of Washington D.C. The media has not disseminated this information. Another problem is that very few people read books any more. We can only hope they'll read Calling of an Angel. Of coarse, the problem right now is people getting the right herbs.

ER: Anything you'd like to add before we close this interview?

GG: I would like to say that I didn't do all this research because I feel I have a responsibility to other people. I did because I have a responsibility to myself. I know that I've done all I can to disseminate this information and bring it to the people. I was the first person to release this information on Essiac, how to make it, to the general public and say, here it is, here's the formula, here's the story. So now the story is out there and look what's happening -- it's getting killed through a disinformation campaign. I mean Harvard, Temple, Tufts, Northwestern University, Chicago -- all these institutions have tested Essiac with the right stuff, and they all came to the same conclusions as Rene Caisse. But all that information has been buried.

ER: Gary, it's been very interesting to speak with you.

GG: It's been a pleasure. You're opening a Pandora's Box, you know publishing this interview.

ER: I think you're the one who's done that. Would you tell people how to get your book and the information on Essiac?

GG: They simply call me in California at (310) 271-9931. The book is $35.00. The formula is free.

In july 1991, the Canadian Journal of Herbalism published an article, "Old Ontario Remedies," about Essiac. The article gives specific information on the ingredients of Essiac and includes descriptions of the herbs. Sheep's sorrel, for example, is a folk remedy for tumors.

The article also warns of high oxalic acid content in two of the herbs making the remedy unsafe for persons with kidney ailments or arthritic conditions.

This article concludes: "Essiac is not a hoax or fraud. To hear experiences described by the patients themselves cannot help but convince observers that dramatic and beneficial changes definitely took place in many but not all those who received the remedy. Allthough the focus on Essiac has been as a cancer treatment. It alleviated and sometimes cured many chronic and degenerative conditions because it cleanses the blood as well as the liver and strengthens the immune system."

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