Reprinted from i Saluti, May 1999
from the Alfa Digest via the Internet

Engine Roll Pins



A roll pin
[For those unaware, roll pins are installed in the 4-cylinder engine block to keep the head gasket O-rings from collapsing, which leads to head gasket failure. -RHH]
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helped a friend remove the cylinder head from his �76 Spider recently and noticed that the block was fitted with roll pins that were installed flush with the engine block, instead of protruding about 1 mm as they�re supposed to.

My questions:

  1. Were these roll pins factory installed?
  2. Should we just drive the existing roll pins further down into the block and install new ones on top of the old ones?
  3. Should we try to remove the old roll pins with an easyout? (This seems like a bad idea since the spring steel the pins are made of will probably fracture and drop shards of steel into the sump, but I have to ask anyway.)
  4. Should I forget about using roll pins and get some of the tiny rings Alfa Ricambi sells that are slightly smaller than the O-rings and fits into the O-rings to maintain the shape of the O-rings?
�Rich Hirsch

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lfa�s original approach to sealing the oil passages from the block

A roll pin
to the head had been the use of neoprene O-rings all by themselves from the first Giulietta; they worked very well except when they didn�t. They were reportedly prone to displacement, premature collapse, and even to being blown through the oil passages and up into the cam bearings. My best information (always subject to amendment by anyone who has better sources) is that roll-pins were first used to keep O-rings from wandering in 1964 on 2600s by Gaston Andrey in Framingham, Mass.; that Alfa Romeo soon �allowed� dealers to adopt the procedure for cars which were still under warranty without voiding warranty; that by 1971 the factory was supplying them for 2600s but not for the fours, and by the late seventies they had been adopted for all. Alfa Owner Tech Ed Joe Benson asked several questions of ARI in January 1978 about the then-new roll-pins and never got an answer. Exactly when they were first used in production I do not know, but they show up as part number 02160.10925.00 in the Catalogo Rapido Ricambi covering all USA-version Alfettas from 1975. So the short answer to Rich�s question first question is yes, in �76 roll-pins were factory installed.

Regarding Rich�s question #4 about using �tiny rings� to maintain the shape of the O-rings, at a tech session in April �92 Peter Krause was showing the tiny aluminum rings, which seemed pricey at the time; I forget the exact price, but my impression is that it was about $20 a set. Peter said he likes the idea because the rings offer less restriction to the oil passage, and he also was turned off by the irreversibility of the roll pin � easy to get in, very hard to get out. I asked whether he has ever seen evidence of head damage because of roll-pin oil passage restriction; he said no. So- it seemed to me to comes down to whether an undeniably neater way of doing things is worth an extra $20 or so, and also whether there were real advantages beyond conceptual purity. In my next letter to Fred Di Matteo I asked had he an opinion? Had he ever seen evidence of head damage because of roll-pin oil passage restriction starving the cams?

His quick reply enclosed a sample of his solution, which he had written about many years before and I had missed- or forgotten. In any event, it bears repeating. Let him tell it:

�The idea of using the roll pins to contain the O-rings is fine but the better method is to use brass tubing found in hobby shops which comes in various sizes. Cut to length, it makes the perfect solution for unrestricted oil passage. The existing oil holes in the cylinder block are drilled out larger to take the OD of the tubing. I like to match the oil holes in the cylinder head to the block holes and to allow the sleeve to enter the cylinder head by perhaps as much as a sixteenth or so. All that is needed is the right size drill in a drill press and a little common sense.�

As for head damage because of oil starvation, that which he had seen �might have been due to other factors a careless owner might not admit to�� but he thought not to roll pin restriction.

Joel Hailey, then Technical Advisor for International Auto Parts and now at Centerline, responded with a counter-argument. He questioned �why?� since he knows no evidence of oil starvation from roll-pin restrictions, questioned the corrosive combination of aluminum and brass, and was concerned about aluminum shavings winding up embedded in the bearings. He ends with �I don�t believe in creating a problem where there is none. Alfa Romeo recommends the roll-pin and O-ring technique, the validity of which has been proven by experience in the field. In this case I must say, �if it ain�t broke, don�t fix it�.�

The possible problem of corrosive linking of dissimilar metals with brass or copper in aluminum had occurred to me, and was mentioned in my original note. Water is a much better electrolyte than oil, though, and Alfa tolerates a copper radiators and oil coolers and many drain valves and other fittings, as well as bronze valve guides, so I don�t feel spooked by that. The question of where the shavings go is a fair one; I assume the answer isn�t harder (or the consequences worse) than for other shaving-producing operations.

The question is probably usually moot by now; Fred came up with his variation when he was still doing first head gaskets on cars built in the sixties and early seventies, and there are probably few old engines which haven�t been pinned by now - but there are some. (I know I have a few-)

On Rich�s question #3 about removing the old roll-pins, I can say that bits of metal into the sump wouldn�t be bad, given magnetic drain plugs, but there is no way I can see to get to the sump; the oil gallery has the oil pump gears at one end and bearings at all the other ends.

[I like both the aluminum ring and the thinwall tube, but the roll-pins seem to work quite well enough. In Rich�s case, with the roll-pins not protruding, I would probably go with the aluminum rings.]

�John Hertzman

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y vote is in favor of using Chevy valve stem seals in place of the O-rings. These square cross-section O-rings do not collapse. The others do. Regular O-rings either acquire a dimple in one side that lets them intrude into the oil passage, or they twist up into a figure-8. The square ones just work. I�ve never used roll pins. I tried some little brass tubes on a motor somebody wanted help with. They were a PITA. Thin wall brass tubes are VERY fragile. If the holes in the head and block don�t line up PERFECTLY, the brass tube gets crushed. I have nothing against roll pins, but if they�ve already been knocked down flush, I say just use the Chevy stem seals and don�t mess with it. You can find them at any decent parts store. Just ask for O-ring style valve stem seals for a pre-1986 small block Chevy (SBC) motor (NAPA # B45229).

One set is enough to do 2 Alfa 4-cyl head gaskets, with a few spares to account for clumsiness.

�Simon Favre

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n the effects of restricting oil flow to the cams, I think there is too much concern about restricting oil flow with roll pins. A friend of mine intentionally cut down the flow of oil to the heads. This is on a race engine and it has run at least two years with the modification described below.

The modification was done at the suggestion of a well known Alfa mechanic, who�s name has been on this list many times. The thought is that keeping the oil pressure down in the bottom of the engine will help late in a race when the oil gets thin.

My friend drilled and tapped the Alfa head above 5 of the 6 roll pins. He inserted an Allen screw in which he drilled a 1/16 th hole. Drilling the Allen screw was the hard part. The left front hole on the driver�s side was left open as that is where most pressure is exerted from the drive chain...

His engine has been run very hard for several races without any problem. If you look at the cam bearings, they are just cut into the aluminum of the head. No babbet or other insert is used and there is no groove cut for full pressure oiling. There is no oil feed in the bearing cap. Cams turn half crankshaft speed and the pressure from the valve spring is not all the great compared to the stress on the crankshaft bearings. I conclude the cams do not need a great volume or pressure of oil.

�Russ Neely


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