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1841 census Place Alverthorpe with thornes District 19 Yorkshire source HO 107 piece 1271/4 Folio 6 page 4 Dwelling Brandy CARR John Ramsden 69 Gardener Y Ann Ramsden 69 Y James Ramsden 25 Butcher Y Jesse Ramsden 20 Gardener Y Elizabeth Ramsden 6 Y
1851 Census Source HO 107 piece 2328 Folio 307 page 13 Place Alverthorpe with Thornes District 1m Dwelling Brandy Carr shed 48 Rel Mar Age Occ Born Ann Ramsden head W 78 Middleton Bryan Ramsden son m 33 Gardener Alverthorpe Sarah Ann Ramsden DIL m 33 ( dau of Martha Saville) Alverthorpe Joseph Saville Ramsden Gson u 3 Alverthorpe John Ramsden np u 12 London, middx James Ramsden lodger m 35 Butcher Alverthorpe why is James listed as lodger not son
there is no James occ butcher in 1861 the following is right age but has children older than 10 unless they are his wifes' by a previous marriage 1861 census Source RG 9 piece 3428 folio 70 page 15 place Alverthorpe with Thornes district 10 (north of potovens) Dwelling Beck Bottom shed 77 James 47 Ag Lab Stanley Mary 36 Alverthorpe Squire 15 Millwright Alverthorpe Charles 13 Scholar Stanley Ann 11 Scholar Stanly Alfred 9 Scholar Stanly George 6 Scholar Stanly Emma 3 Scholar Stanly
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