Descendants of Lucinda Yates

Generation No. 1

He owned the Carlton Plantation located in Green County Ga. He owned many slaves, and was a respected and prominent member of the community. The planatation was on the Oconee River. He owned 47 slaves. Check under M432-71 green 1850 census record for verification.

from History of Greene County, Ga page 69:

Union Point was first known as Thornton Cross Roads then as Scruggsville for a blacksmith by the name of Scruggs and then as Union Point as it became a juntion of the main line of the GA RR and Athens branch. Here lived the Thorntons, Harts, Bryans, Sibleys, Carltons and other prominent families.

Generation No. 2

Education: buried Westview Cemetary, Atlanta Georgia

Namesake: nicknamed Maw Harbin

INFORMATION FROM UNCLE ALBERT TO AUNT AGNES

Oliver Nathaniel Harbin's parents refugeed from Rome. Georgia to the Carlton Plantation, Green County (Oconee River) when Sherman came to Georgia. Oliver Nathaniel was born at this old home place of his mother, Mary Ann Carlton. Oliver Wylie Harbin obtained a box car from Rome RR of Georgia, put his wife and children and their possessions in the box car, from Rome to Kingston, over the Rome RR of Georgia, then from Kingston to Atlanta over the Western and Atlantic, then the Georgia RR from Atlanta to Greensboro, Georgia where Oliver Nathaniel was born April 3, 1865. After the war was over, they went back to Rome, lived there until they moved to Tunnel Hill, Georgia, and years later to Atlanta to live with their daughter, Mamie Moody, wife of Bedney Moody, also a railroad man (NC & ST.L.). They lived on Luckie St. until their deaths. Then the Moody's moved to Ontario Ave, West End, Atlanta.

Education: buried Westview Cemetary, Atlanta Georgia

Namesake: nicknamed Paw Harbin

Marriage: July 20, 1854, Floyd County GA

Generation No. 3

He worked for York Ice Machinery.

We have a History Book of the American Revolution, given to O.N. Harbin by his grandmother, Mary Ann Carlton. The book belonged to his grandfather, James Carlton. The book was handed down to Bill Surls.

Dr. Winfield Sharp was one of Taddy's first cousins. He was one of the founders of Rhinehart College.

Education: nicknamed "Taddy"

Namesake: nicknamed Ollie

The small tintype picture of girls on hammock are Mammaw and Aunt Byrd.

Mammaw's obituary reads:

MRS. HARBIN, CIVIC AND CLUB LEADER DIES

Born in Ohio, she came to Georgia 30 years ago. Former secetary of the Fourth Ward Progressive Club, she was long identified with civic affairs. Born in Xenia, Ohio she moved to Rome, Georgia more than 30 years ago. She later lived in Vicksburg, Mississippi, and came to Atlanta about 20 years ago.

Mrs. O. N. Harbin died Sunday at the residence of her son, Harry Lee Harbin, at 933 Lawton Ave., SW.

Education: Buried Crestlawn Cemetery, Atlanta, Georgia

Military service: nicknamed Bess

Namesake: we have a copy of her death certificate

Marriage: May 12, 1884, Chattanooga, Tennessee

Generation No. 4

They lived in Chattanooga after married, then came to Atlanta in February, 1915.

Albert Harbin was a Mason. Member of Palestine Lodge, Atlanta, 1915, High Priest in East Point Lodge, diameted to College Park.

Education: buried College Park Cemetery, College Park, Ga

INFORMATION FROM FRANK HARBIN TO AGNES HARBIN OVER THE PHONE

Frank Harbin was a business man, owning a marble works on Piedmont Ave, Atlanta, at the time of the conversation. He felt there was a close relation but did not know.

INFO=In 1679, three Harbin brothers came from England on a ship, "Thomas Henry Taverner" from Barbados, English Island, South America.

Joseph Harbin, wife, three children, one servant, and eight Negroes.

Alexander Harbin, wife, and one Negro.

Peter Harbynn and wife- name spelled differently so children wouldn't get confused as to parents.

Land grant Berkley Co, SC, 2000 acres 100 years before "Swamp Fox", Moncks Corner.

One son of Joe's named John 300 acres land grant from England 1700.

They originated in Yeovil, England, Bristol Bay.

First coat of arms 1612, made of marble and colored.

Brinkney, France, moved to England in 1200.

Norwegian name, Normandy, conquered England 1066.

Sir Henry Harbin (bachelor)

Eldest son married 1846 to Ann, daughter of James VI. A son, Andre wrote the city directory of London.

Yeovil Harbins- this family went to Barbados as "People of Quality", free men only.

Parents owned Walhalla, SC.

MORE FROM AUNT AGNES

This is a copy of part of a letter I found among some old papers in the "trash" that I scavenged from Mammaw's old "junk". Mrs. Harbin was trying to settle her part of an inheritance from her father, Martin Luther Rockfield.

"Our old family says it is spelled "Rockinfield."

Aunt Alice's address is 165 Eagle St. and is very poorly at this time. Aunt Libbie Tritt is dead, so is Charley and Ed. We know very little of their families so could not find out very much by writing to them. We don't know Cora's address as she lives with her son and moves around so much. But Della Grey's address is 30 Horizon ave, Venice, California. I do hope this little information will not be too late. Kate and I are just tolerable well and hope when these few lines reach you they will find you and your......"

On a little slip of paper is this information copied from the tombstone:

Mary E. wife of M.L. Rockfield

died Sept 1, 1879

age 39 yrs and 16 mos (note the 16 mos)

Martin L Rockfield

1833-1903

In Mrs. O.N. Harbin's writing is this memo:

Monument of M.L. Rockfield and Mary E. Rockfield at Fairfield, Ohio.

CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN AUNT AGNES AND C. M. CARTHEW-YORSTOUN

Dallas, Tx

August 17, 1960

Dear Mr. Harbin,

I have a copy of births taken of the children of Oliver Wiley Harbin, June 16, 1835. Is this Oliver Wiley Harbin the son of Jessie Harbin 9-12-1771 who married Sarah Boone 7-15-1786?

Jessie Harbin had a son Wiley, born Jan 10, 1802. Oliver Wiley may be the son of this last. (He is the son)

My Grandmother was Frances Matilda Harben. Her brother was William Nathaniel Harben, the writer.

If your line of Harbins is the same, then I would like to obgtain further data so I can include in the Harbin

chart,-Harbin/Harben. Change of spelling some time back, but same family. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

C.M. Carthew-Yorstoun

5953 Joyce Way

Dallas, Texas

5953 Joyce Way

Dallas Texas

August 29, 1960

Dear Mr Harbin,

Your kindness in taking the trouble to type up the data recently received on the Harbin family was gratefully received.

I have checked out everything with my original Harbin/Harben chart except your family. Since several of the earlier Harbin fanukues have not been checked out, I am left with a member of our Harbin/Harben family which could mean I have failed to get all the names or brothers of one family.

The attached chart gives the names of the families, as I have it, drawn in essence from my master chart. Realizing the ever changing new information and errors in names, dates etc. I, myself, have made and those of others, I know it is a process of constant correction and additions.

I believe if you can trace out who were the brothers and sisters of Oliver Wiley Harbin- your Grandfather, we can tie in to one of the branches of the Harbin/Harben stemming from Grandfather Nathaniel Thomas Harbin who married Sarah (Sallie) Parks. My great grandfather Nathaniel Parks Harbin was named for his father Nathaniel, and his mother's maiden name, Parks.

Nathaniel Thomas Harbin had two sons, Jessie Harbin and Thomas Harbin. Jessie (Jesse) married Sarah Boone, daughter of Nathan Boone, brother of Daniel Boone. Thomas Harbin married Hester Boone, daughter of Daniel Morgan Boone, 4th son of Daniel Boone.

There has been considerable confusion in the dual names of Thomas Harbin and Thomas Wylie Harbin. I am of the opinion that there were two sons of Nathaniel Thomas Harbin having the name Thomas and if this is the case, then Thomas Wylie Harbin is the third son from whom the Harbin's in Rome, Ga. stem from.

The connection with the English Harbin/Harbens came about through my mother, Mrs Nellie Harbin Knight, who married LtCol. M. E. Carthew-Yorstoun, while she was visiting Sir Henry Harben in England. Sir Henry Harben was a distant relation with the Harbins of Newton House. Through this relationship, Will N. Harben, the writer, and my mother did considerable research when Uncle Will visited my mother in Europe. My Godmother is Miss Katherine Harben, daughter of Sir Henry Harben and several years ago I, with my wife, stayed with Lady Harben and Kitty.

As you know, my mother was Nellie Harben Knight, born in Dalton, Ga. in the house constructed by Nathaniel Parks Harben, with handmade brick. My grandmother was Frances Matilda Harben, sister of William Nathaniel Lewis Harben, the writer who was a reporter and close friend with Joel Chandler Harris, both working for the Atlanta Constitution. Will was a very good friend of Mark Twain and attended his 70th birthdat party dinner in N. Y. C. Will N. Harben's grandsons, my sons have seen recently.

William Nathaniel Harben of the State Department and George Harben who works for the bond and stocks company of "We The People" in N.Y. Uncle Will's daughter Elizabeth married Edwin Cox of Darien, Conn. The Cox's and W. N. Harben visited my sister in the South of France last year.

Several years ago I made a Harben chart with the purpose of sifting out and creating renewed interest in the Harbin/Harben families. After this chart, I had to leave the country so the Harbins could cool off, but now, I am back at it again searching for more data.

The data you sent me, I would like to keep with the idea that you would let me have additional data which we can tie in closer and I would like to have your grandchildren so I can draw off a chart of your family. Many Harbin/Harbens have migrated to Texas and I am constantly being written for their connection.

In the old days, there were so very few records, but now, the larger libraries have developed considerable research departments bringing together data heretofore not available. I feel the Harbin/Harben families, that is, the early settlers from whom they stem, should pursue and strengthen their posterity.

I deeply appreciate your visit with me through your letter and data contained and hope we can continue our correspondence to mutual benefit and relationship.

Sincerely,

C.M. Carthew-Yorstoun

5953 Joyce Way

Dallas, 25, Texas

Dec 15, 1960

Dear Mr Harbin,

Thank you and your wife for your letter, undated, just received with wonderful tree.

I have drawn off names, dates etc., onto a family working chart and am enclosing photo copies along with your typed data, You may wish to keep your typed data for one of your children.

If my mother were alive, she would know just exactly the family tie-in. She had a marvelous memory, even better than Uncle Will, as to the family and their connections. Unfortunately, she never put it down in writing.

Now that we have traced out the Reinhardt family Bible records, which gives certain information, I would like to suggest another possible avenue towards obtaining valuable information in which you may help.

Mrs A.A. Jonesm deceased, (Katherine, Kate) Harbin and sister of Uncle Will, was in correspondence with me at the beginning of World War II. I was in London and helped get her son back after he had been wounded the second time. She told me she was sending to me a manuscript which was a life story of her's in Georgia and contained many family references. However, her daughter sent this manuscript to Mrs Alleen Felkner Alley. I wrote to Mrs Alley, whose address is 306 Sevidge St, Dalton, Ga. She sent me a picture of her home. The house was the old Harbin home, built of hand-made brick, a beautiful place. Aunt Kate's daughter thought this manuscript should be associated with the house. I was told the manuscript had been lent to some professor who was intending to write a book on it. I have written to Mrs Alley, but have had no reply. I fear she may have passed away. However, Mrs Ogburn C Alley is her daughter. What I wanted, was this very manuscript so I could photo copy and return. It may be you could obtain this data. If Mrs Alleen Felknew Alley is still alive, she may recall your Uncle Nattie.

Mrs Agnes Harbin Elrod, 300 Elrod Cir., Anderson, SC is a genealogist, who seems to know her way around. In a copy of a letter from her to Mr Reinhardt, dated Jan 14, 1953 and sent to me, you will note in the seventh paragraph, she believes the Franklin County, Ga. (now Oconee Co, SC) are in the Georgia Archives Department on Peachtree St, there in Atlanta. If it were possible to check for Harbins and Boones, it may bring out many of the things we are looking for.

I feel sure Mrs Elrod could trace your grandfather, Oliver Wiley Harbin and make the tie-in between Nathaniel Parks Harbin of Dalton, Ga. born June 21, 1819, married Aug 17, 1844, died Jan 14, 1884 and the Rome, Ga line. As you say, since they were cousins, it should not be too hard to trace from where you are. I certainly want this wonederful family of yours tied in on my chart. It is a MUST. It seems you tie into Dalton, Ga. In reviewing your letters and attachments, I do not have the date Oliver Wiley Harbin died- in Atlanta?

I would suggest your wife writes the United Nations, asking who she might write to for information on her family in Holstein, Germany. They may have made exhaustive tabulation of families and know where centralized files may be kept. Wilamena may lead to Holland too.

Thank you for the clipping on the death of Mrs Edith Harbin of Rome, Ga. I am retaining the clipping. If you wish me to return it, I will, as with any other material you have been so kind to let me have. I know how hard it is to abstract and type up data. Also, thank you for the copy of letter written by Early Harbin to Mr Reinhardt dated Aug 12, 1954.

You certainly have a marvelous family. All the Harbins are exceptional people. As I have said before, I remember Uncle Will, the writer, well. I have one of his books called "Abner Daniel", set in North Georgia. This book was published in 1898. It is written in the North Georgia hill language used about the time of the Civil War and strange to say, reminds me of the present "Little Abner" funnypaper language. This book was presented to me by a Dallas lawyer who critized the book for Uncle Will when he lived here in Dallas and had a little store on Elm St, called the "Emporium".

I have written Mrs W. B. Sharp concerning the date on the Boone family which you were so kind to pass on to me. She had also, given to Mrs Early Harbin, friend of mine in San Antonio, Texas, a series of Boone family connections which I submitted to the Boone Family Association as Thomas Harbin married Hester Boone and Jessie Harbin, his brother , married Sarah Boone. The Boone Family Association gave me a provisional membership after considerable research, based on Hester Boone. The provisional status is based on me obtaining additional information which I wrote Mrs Sharp for. So far, I have not been able to obtain more direct or solid data, but at least we are all much closer than heretofore. Unfortunately, the writing of letters and research is difficult. Possibly, you could telephone Mrs Sharp, who has already been so kind, and probe her memory. It helps when one is talking about relatives, to expand on various bits of family life. I am sure you are as interested as I am, once one of us is established, we all are.

Your copy of letter written by Mrs Agnes Harbin Elrod to Mr Gus Reinhardt, Jan 24, 1953, attached there, was a diagram of the children of Mary Witherspoon, Thomas Harbin and Nathaniel Harbin who married Sarah (Sallie) Parks. On the right hand border, running lengthwise, was the following note; "One genealogist states the father of Thomas and Nathaniel Harbin was Major Joseph Harbin of Rowan County, NC. On 1775m in Salesbury District, NC Minute Men, Revolutionary War. No proof of his being father.

Who was the genealogist? Did this come from Mrs Elrod?

Again thanking you and your wife and wishing you all a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Sincerely,

C.M. Carthew-Yorstoun

Morden Carthew-Yorstoun

Marriage: March 21, 1911, Rossville, Georgia

Education: She is buried in Crestlawn Cemetery in Atlanta

Namesake: taken to Blanchard's Funeral Home

Education: buried Crestlawn Cemetery, Atlanta, Georgia

Namesake: taken to Blanchard's Funeral Home

Marriage: August 1911

Education: nicknamed Billie

Generation No. 5

Education: nicknamed Frank

Namesake: nicknamed Billie

Marriage: January 28, 1934

Marriage: November 10, 1944

Marriage: August 28, 1934

Education: Joe was a marine for 22 years

Marriage: June 28, 1941

Letters to Aunt Agnes:

5953 Joyce Way

Dallas, 25, Texas

Aug 29, 1960

Dear Mr Harbin,

Your kindness in taking the trouble to type up the data recently received on the Harbin Family was gratefully received.

I have checked out everything with my original Harbin/Harben chart except your family. Since several of the earlier Harbin fanukues have not been checked out, I am left with a member of our Harbin/Harben

Marriage: July 25, 1948

Wilma's sister.

She was fairly short, had blue eyes and dark hair which turned grey not long after Wilma's did. This seems to be a family trait.

She and Horace lived in Cedartown, Georgia where they owned a motel and ten cent store.

She liked to sew, crochet, do needlepoint, and read. She was a member of several civic clubs and an active member of the First Baptist Church of Cedartown.

From Uncle Horace-

The first time the train crossed the trestle on Tallapoosa River in Harrelson County, Oliver Nathaniel Harbin was the engineer. Mammaw went with him. The trestle was unfinished and Mrs Harbin walked across and he drove the engine across. In 1887. the hills were covered with people in wagons and buggies that had come to see the train come across. There was a shopper's train that ran from Cedartown to Chattanooga for the people to do their shopping. It went up in early morning and came back into Cedartown about 7 pm. Mammaw would meet Taddy where they turned the train on the "Y" and ring the bell. The people, (a few), complained to the railroad officials that the bell ringing was keeping them awake (7pm!). The officials told them that if they were asleep at 7 pm they shouldn't be and if the bell ringing was offensive, they would take off the shopper's train. They kept the train. Mammaw was visiting Lady (firstname) Whitehead in Rome when she met Taddy. Mammaw went to a music conservatory (college) in Dayton and met Lady there. Mammaw's Daddy owned a hotel in Xenia, Ohio. They had Irish girls for maids.

She had dark brown hair, that turned grey, then white, at an early age. She was medium height and had blue eyes.

Mother's father died when she and Aunt Lillian were young. Rose traveled and remarried a man named Hezekiah_______. He was an alcoholic and after he went through her inheritence he treated her badly. Wilma and Lillian finally took it on themselves to call the police and have him thrown out of the house. Rose was not in good health and after she died Wilma and Lillian went to live with Mammaw and Taddy. Lillian married first and while Wilma was visiting her and Uncle Horace in Cedartown, she met Joe at a basketball game. They were married in Centre, Alabama on April 11, 1939. Mammaw went with them and when they returned to Atlanta they stayed awhile with her. Evidently Mammaw fully intended to stay in the same room as she had with Wilma, but Joe put his foot down and told her, "Now Mrs. Harbin, Wilma and I are married now and I'm going to sleep with her," With that he shut the door and so began 43 years of marriage.

Wilma and Lillian were brought up in the Methodist Church but when she married and they bought the house in East Point, she was baptized in the Baptist Church, First Baptist Church of East Point.

She worked for 5 years for Belk-Gallant, then worked for 27 years at Merritt's Drug Store in East Point.

She loved to travel, liked to read, sew, and crochet. She made most of Linda and Becky's clothes when they were little, and she and Cora made extensive wardrobes for the "Toni" dolls Santa brought them.

She was most happy when the family was gathered together.

Education: February 22, 1987, buried Greenwood cemetery, Cedartown, Ga

Military service: called Nana by grandchildren

Namesake: December 14, 1952, Baptised 1st Baptist East Point Ga

He was born in a railroad section house, then lived in the old family house at 115 Broad St., then on the corner of Fletcher St. for years.

When he married Wilma, they lived with Mamaw from April 1939 to September 1939 on Westview Dr in Atlanta, then bought the house at 430 Kimmeridge Dr, East Point, Ga. Now numbered 2918 this remained the Surls residence until 1995.

He was baptised in 1925.

He graduated from Cedartown Highschool in 1928, then did odd jobs, hoboed, operated an ice plant, was a short order cook in a cafe, worked in a grocery store, worked in a dye mill (United States Finishing Company), worked in a filling station, delivered groceries, was in the National Guard for 7 years, went to work for Motor Parts & Supply Co on Octobeer 3, 1933, worked there until 1961 when they were bought out by Perrin Auto Supply, continued in same job until June 1975, retired because of age and health, kept grandson, Gene, at home while Becky worked.

Service Record: serial number 34832892, classification job 1736 heavy tank crewman, served cadre armor instructor on all track laying vehicles and all wheel vehicles and taught concurrent subjects. Contributed to the tank training manuals. Held rank of Sargeant 2 years. Had 7 1/2 years National Guard service, earned rank of Sargeant at end of each 3 years term. Inducted into Army December 1943 and discharged Nov 22, 1945. Training camp was at Ft Knox, Kentucky Armored School. He was in the largest company in history of US Army, designated as "Service Company C", 2nd Regiment Tank Training Battalion averaged 725 enlisted men and 45 officers. There was no immediate commanding officer, it operated as an individual unit, responsible only to Plans and Training. He had 2 promotions in same number of months, from Private to Corporal to Sargeant. He was discharged at Ft Knox, Kentucky.

INFORMATION FROM BECKY VESSELL AS TOLD TO HER BY JOE P SURLS SR

When I was little, Daddy used to tell me stories of when he was little, and Papa and Mama would take them on the train over to Alabama to see their grandparents. He spoke of Grandpa Britt who was tall and quiet, with ice-blue eyes. Daddy said that all the cousins would be running around yelling and cutting up. The women would try to make them behave, but as with most kids, they ignored them. He said Grandpa Britt would sit on the porch and watch them awhile, and then when they finally got out of hand, he would get up, walk down the steps and just LOOK at them. IMMEDIATELY everyone would stop, shut up, and start behaving. Daddy said he never remembered Grandpa Britt striking anyone, that just seeing him stare at you with those ice-blue eyes was enough. I asked him why he had that effect when all the kids knew he wouldn't hurt them? He thought a minute, and said he wasn't really sure, except that you knew you wanted that man to think well of you, and more than anything else, you didn't want him mad at you. He said the girls wore feed sacks with only slits cut in the sides and top for arms and neck, maybe a rope for a belt, and no underwear, and of course, no shoes. He said Uncle Marion would usually take the older boys squirrel hunting for stew for supper, but the middle group of kids would run off in the woods to go "flying". When I asked him what he meant by going "flying", Daddy just laughed and with a sparkle in his eye, he told me about "flying." He said what you did was look for a sapling that was not too big, but not too small. Then, several of the kids would climb up the tree to the top, then another would climb up, then another, and so on until the tree was weighted down at the top and bent over to the ground. The kids on the ground would grab hold of the tree and help hold it down while the foolhardy soul who was to "fly" would grab hold of the tree trunk and hold on with a bear hug. The others would let go and POW! Of course, the tree would flip back and forth before it would finally straighten out and whoever was "flying" looked a lot like Olive Oyle in the cartoons, but it sure was fun!! And Daddy would laught until tears rolled down his cheeks. I, of course, never really believed him, because I could never quite see my Daddy pulling such a stunt, he was always so very careful of our safety, he would certainly never let any of us do anything like that. Then Mother, Mildred, Cora, Gene and I went to Alabama, to Jackson Gap, in search of family history. We went to Rock Springs Church and cemetery, and in an old house behind the cemetery, we met Jessie Milner Vines, Aunt Lula's daughter. She was so excited to see us, she grabbed me by the arm and said over and over, "Oh, you're Joe P's daughter! Oh, you're Joe P's daughter!" Then she grinned and said "I well remember him visiting, and we'd all go "a'flying" in the trees!" Well, it's a good thing I didn't have false teeth, because I'd have dropped them then and there. When we got home and I told Daddy about it, he just laughed and said, "Of course we did! Would I tell you a lie?", and laughed some more.

MASONIC HISTORY OF JOSEPH PLEAS SURLS SR, INFO TAKEN FROM HIS BIBLE

Entered Apprentice October 18, 1935

Fellow Craft December 20, 1935

Master Mason February 6, 1936

Caledonia #121 F&AM

Cedartown, Georgia Raised by W P Surls

Mark Master

Paster Master

Most Excellent Master

Royal Arch Mason Thanksgiving Day 1943

Courtesy of East Point Royal Arch Chapter

Located at Hapeville, Georgia

Adoniram Chapter #41 Cedartown, Georgia

Knight of Red Cross March 14, 1946

Knights of Malta March 21, 1946

Knights Templar April 11, 1946

Rome Commandry #8 Rome, Georgia

Created a Noble of Ancient Arabic Order

Nobles of Mystic Shrine in Yaarab Temple

Atlanta, Georgia May 15, 1946

Raised William J Surls to Master Mason January 13, 1962 in

Blue Mountain Lodge #38 Faud A M, Dahlonega, Georgia

Certificate of Good Standing to East Point Lodge #288

With Dues Paid to December 31, 1977 on March 1, 1977 for

Purpose of Transfer of Membership

Dated March 10, 1977 Petition to East Point Lodge #288

F&AM on March 15, 1977 and Affiliated with

East Point Lodge #288 on April 19, 1977

Crispin Surls acted as Senior Deacon at this Affiliation.

SURLS HISTORY TOLD TO BECKY SURLS VESSELL, BY JOE P SURLS, SR, MAY 1978

transcribed from cassette tape

BECKY-Tell me the story of the powder horn,

DADDY-