I History
A List o' tragedies
B Three promises of happiness
1 Mashiach
a Jesus
b Shabbatai Tzvi
2 Heaven
a no Hell
b Early Christian suicides
3 Israel
a argument real
b no longer theology
II Definitions of groups
A Arguments on both sides of moving
1 Religious and Secular
a Either side eliminates former
b Venn diagram
c I am Modern Orthodox
i we discuss both.
ii one at a time
B order
1 Religious
a Pro
b Anti
2 Secular
a Pro
b Anti
C "Color" chart
III Religious
A Galut
1 You MUST work the land, more mitzvot are in Israel, etc.
a Rebuttal of those who accept the existence:
b Two tribes
2 Mishna line
a So X are people who should be considered Atheists?
b Paradox
3 Real Mishna line
a pro
i If without a homeland, then it appears that God is not with them
ii If with, then defiance of God
b Con
i The idea is that the foreign country will give the Jew a false
direction; Israel isn't much better.
ii involves prophecy, and preaching.
B Land of Miracles
1 Quick examples
a '48
b '56
c '67
d Mark Twain
2 Rebuttal
a Since '73?
b Everybody who has lived here.
c Hashmonaim + Bar Kochba
C Children
1 "place to raise them."
a Intermarriage - 60%
b conversion 8%
2 Excuse me?
a Statistics
i 20% chance of religious moving away
ii Chiloni - 5%
iii 50% of datiim see their children assimilate.
iv Millenium approaching - Conversion law killed
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� Mormons
� Black Hebrews
� Protestants, Catholics, etc.
b Army?
D Rambam quote
1 If there is a time when Israel is devoid of Jews, then the Jewish people will be no more.
2 6,000,001?
IV Religious neged
A Can't live in Israel w\o temple, can't build temple till mashiach comes.
1 No ridicule
2 Amos
B Secular state
1 America's not?!?
2 Am Ha'aretz majority
3 Past rulers of C'naan
V Secular pro
A Ben Gurion quote
1 You can't be Zionistic and live in the diaspora.
a American views on politics here
b penis
2 Ben Gurion...good for him.
B If we had gone to Uganda, there would be no Holocaust.
1 Stronger point, 1898 had everybody moved...
a Eichmann's first book
b No help from foreign powers
2 If Uganda, then why not Munsee?
3 Kazaria?
C Modern America ~ Second Reich
1 Situations
a Millenium bug
b Millenium in general
c New leader.
i Jesse Jackson
ii David Duke
iii Buchanan
iv Christian right.
2 problems
a No WWI
b Iran has nukes
D Strengthen the people
1 Israel needs you
2 I'm useless
VI Secular Neged
A Vietnam
1 I don't like the government.
2 Vote against it
B Corruption
1 neither political party
2 Israel is still a young nation
C Division
1 Not against Jews, just against others
a Dassim
b Sephardim
c Tzfardayot
d Amerikakim
e Arsim
f Yekkim
g Kushim
h zehuvim
2 Every group has divisions
D Terrorism
1 Arab borders
2 Crime
VII "Conclusion
A Counter arguments
