Castle Firth’s Meetings Highlights
Each week Castle Firth has weekly discussion/debates/lectures/meetings, which is an open forum for A/all to discuss there opinions, views, and ideas on a given topic.. the following is highlights from each meeting.
Topic:Meeting from O/L to R/L (Wed Oct 5,1999)
"before the initial meeting..depression could be very common for that is where your mind starts rationalizing everything..and after you..didnt want it to end..couldnt believe it end..detachment..not wanting the "dream" to be over...especially since it was first time..not knowing if she would ever see you again"
"all the emotions that have surfaced ......and what are you supposed to do with them now...how can you come back and be puter people again
"
"the one thing that seemed to help was planning out O/our next meeting"
"I think people need to be prepared for the "reality" of a R/L metting"
"see i find the toughest part of a r/l meeting is finding out things you cant see online..the habits quirks..the things that one will never know about.."
".for can one ever truly be as they are on line..for the online realm looks at a person through a written communication..rather then a face to face encounter where the total picture comes into focus..."
""i think that alot of ones that meet always say that it was wonderful !!!!!! and they never say well it was great BUT this or that went wrong or was disappointing...so i told Master lets be open about O/our meeting.
""many who do meet real life..i dont think they want to admit if somthing was bad...for maybe in there mind..they want the whole thing to be absolutly wonderful..for who does want to talk about something bad..or the mistakes they may have made..with everyone else?"
"""i think that the first meeting you should have seperate rooms.......and NO love making or scening for at least the first day......i think it should be agreed upon in advance. That then gives the sub a chance to gain her footing
Topic:BDSM in Movies, and Literature
"Robin Hood Prince of Thieves"....
"in the case of the movie ... slave is more broad ... serfdom....
she was indeed free...however for that time period and for her position...her freedom...had to be slavery..."
"she is not slave is BDSM sense ... but in her position in life"
no at those times and the way tis portryaed there was only slavery o say no ment that you were going against the Kings wishes and those who served him well,,,all subjects of the King was subjected to slavery it was the terms of their existance"
it made no diffrence,,,man woman or child,,for movie purposes yes tis always a woman slave
this movie did not truly portray BDSM ... but a period in which slavery was the norm"
most movies are trying to say something about sexual obsession, and throw in a few convenient stereotypes to illustrate it"
i think hollywood portrys BDSM as the average vanilla peson expects it i do not think an average person knows what BDSM is except in the worst light and so not knowing any better they condemm it"
on the topic of the beauty series....i found that she captured what was going through the mind of the slave very well ,,,that fear,yet that wanting ,,,,pushing forward with only the thought to please Him/Her"
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
"before the initial meeting..depression could be very common for that is where your mind starts rationalizing everything..and after you..didnt want it to end..couldnt believe it end..detachment..not wanting the "dream" to be over...especially since it was first time..not knowing if she would ever see you again"
"all the emotions that have surfaced ......and what are you supposed to do with them now...how can you come back and be puter people again
"
"the one thing that seemed to help was planning out O/our next meeting"
"I think people need to be prepared for the "reality" of a R/L metting"
"see i find the toughest part of a r/l meeting is finding out things you cant see online..the habits quirks..the things that one will never know about.."
".for can one ever truly be as they are on line..for the online realm looks at a person through a written communication..rather then a face to face encounter where the total picture comes into focus..."
""i think that alot of ones that meet always say that it was wonderful !!!!!! and they never say well it was great BUT this or that went wrong or was disappointing...so i told Master lets be open about O/our meeting.
""many who do meet real life..i dont think they want to admit if somthing was bad...for maybe in there mind..they want the whole thing to be absolutly wonderful..for who does want to talk about something bad..or the mistakes they may have made..with everyone else?"
"""i think that the first meeting you should have seperate rooms.......and NO love making or scening for at least the first day......i think it should be agreed upon in advance. That then gives the sub a chance to gain her footing
Topic:BDSM in Movies, and Literature
"Robin Hood Prince of Thieves"....
"in the case of the movie ... slave is more broad ... serfdom....
she was indeed free...however for that time period and for her position...her freedom...had to be slavery..."
"she is not slave is BDSM sense ... but in her position in life"
no at those times and the way tis portryaed there was only slavery o say no ment that you were going against the Kings wishes and those who served him well,,,all subjects of the King was subjected to slavery it was the terms of their existance"
it made no diffrence,,,man woman or child,,for movie purposes yes tis always a woman slave
this movie did not truly portray BDSM ... but a period in which slavery was the norm"
most movies are trying to say something about sexual obsession, and throw in a few convenient stereotypes to illustrate it"
i think hollywood portrys BDSM as the average vanilla peson expects it i do not think an average person knows what BDSM is except in the worst light and so not knowing any better they condemm it"
on the topic of the beauty series....i found that she captured what was going through the mind of the slave very well ,,,that fear,yet that wanting ,,,,pushing forward with only the thought to please Him/Her"
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
"all the emotions that have surfaced ......and what are you supposed to do with them now...how can you come back and be puter people again
"
"the one thing that seemed to help was planning out O/our next meeting"
"I think people need to be prepared for the "reality" of a R/L metting"
"see i find the toughest part of a r/l meeting is finding out things you cant see online..the habits quirks..the things that one will never know about.."
".for can one ever truly be as they are on line..for the online realm looks at a person through a written communication..rather then a face to face encounter where the total picture comes into focus..."
""i think that alot of ones that meet always say that it was wonderful !!!!!! and they never say well it was great BUT this or that went wrong or was disappointing...so i told Master lets be open about O/our meeting.
""many who do meet real life..i dont think they want to admit if somthing was bad...for maybe in there mind..they want the whole thing to be absolutly wonderful..for who does want to talk about something bad..or the mistakes they may have made..with everyone else?"
"""i think that the first meeting you should have seperate rooms.......and NO love making or scening for at least the first day......i think it should be agreed upon in advance. That then gives the sub a chance to gain her footing
Topic:BDSM in Movies, and Literature
"Robin Hood Prince of Thieves"....
"in the case of the movie ... slave is more broad ... serfdom....
she was indeed free...however for that time period and for her position...her freedom...had to be slavery..."
"she is not slave is BDSM sense ... but in her position in life"
no at those times and the way tis portryaed there was only slavery o say no ment that you were going against the Kings wishes and those who served him well,,,all subjects of the King was subjected to slavery it was the terms of their existance"
it made no diffrence,,,man woman or child,,for movie purposes yes tis always a woman slave
this movie did not truly portray BDSM ... but a period in which slavery was the norm"
most movies are trying to say something about sexual obsession, and throw in a few convenient stereotypes to illustrate it"
i think hollywood portrys BDSM as the average vanilla peson expects it i do not think an average person knows what BDSM is except in the worst light and so not knowing any better they condemm it"
on the topic of the beauty series....i found that she captured what was going through the mind of the slave very well ,,,that fear,yet that wanting ,,,,pushing forward with only the thought to please Him/Her"
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
"
"the one thing that seemed to help was planning out O/our next meeting"
"I think people need to be prepared for the "reality" of a R/L metting"
"see i find the toughest part of a r/l meeting is finding out things you cant see online..the habits quirks..the things that one will never know about.."
".for can one ever truly be as they are on line..for the online realm looks at a person through a written communication..rather then a face to face encounter where the total picture comes into focus..."
""i think that alot of ones that meet always say that it was wonderful !!!!!! and they never say well it was great BUT this or that went wrong or was disappointing...so i told Master lets be open about O/our meeting.
""many who do meet real life..i dont think they want to admit if somthing was bad...for maybe in there mind..they want the whole thing to be absolutly wonderful..for who does want to talk about something bad..or the mistakes they may have made..with everyone else?"
"""i think that the first meeting you should have seperate rooms.......and NO love making or scening for at least the first day......i think it should be agreed upon in advance. That then gives the sub a chance to gain her footing
Topic:BDSM in Movies, and Literature
"Robin Hood Prince of Thieves"....
"in the case of the movie ... slave is more broad ... serfdom....
she was indeed free...however for that time period and for her position...her freedom...had to be slavery..."
"she is not slave is BDSM sense ... but in her position in life"
no at those times and the way tis portryaed there was only slavery o say no ment that you were going against the Kings wishes and those who served him well,,,all subjects of the King was subjected to slavery it was the terms of their existance"
it made no diffrence,,,man woman or child,,for movie purposes yes tis always a woman slave
this movie did not truly portray BDSM ... but a period in which slavery was the norm"
most movies are trying to say something about sexual obsession, and throw in a few convenient stereotypes to illustrate it"
i think hollywood portrys BDSM as the average vanilla peson expects it i do not think an average person knows what BDSM is except in the worst light and so not knowing any better they condemm it"
on the topic of the beauty series....i found that she captured what was going through the mind of the slave very well ,,,that fear,yet that wanting ,,,,pushing forward with only the thought to please Him/Her"
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
"I think people need to be prepared for the "reality" of a R/L metting"
"see i find the toughest part of a r/l meeting is finding out things you cant see online..the habits quirks..the things that one will never know about.."
".for can one ever truly be as they are on line..for the online realm looks at a person through a written communication..rather then a face to face encounter where the total picture comes into focus..."
""i think that alot of ones that meet always say that it was wonderful !!!!!! and they never say well it was great BUT this or that went wrong or was disappointing...so i told Master lets be open about O/our meeting.
""many who do meet real life..i dont think they want to admit if somthing was bad...for maybe in there mind..they want the whole thing to be absolutly wonderful..for who does want to talk about something bad..or the mistakes they may have made..with everyone else?"
"""i think that the first meeting you should have seperate rooms.......and NO love making or scening for at least the first day......i think it should be agreed upon in advance. That then gives the sub a chance to gain her footing
Topic:BDSM in Movies, and Literature
"Robin Hood Prince of Thieves"....
"in the case of the movie ... slave is more broad ... serfdom....
she was indeed free...however for that time period and for her position...her freedom...had to be slavery..."
"she is not slave is BDSM sense ... but in her position in life"
no at those times and the way tis portryaed there was only slavery o say no ment that you were going against the Kings wishes and those who served him well,,,all subjects of the King was subjected to slavery it was the terms of their existance"
it made no diffrence,,,man woman or child,,for movie purposes yes tis always a woman slave
this movie did not truly portray BDSM ... but a period in which slavery was the norm"
most movies are trying to say something about sexual obsession, and throw in a few convenient stereotypes to illustrate it"
i think hollywood portrys BDSM as the average vanilla peson expects it i do not think an average person knows what BDSM is except in the worst light and so not knowing any better they condemm it"
on the topic of the beauty series....i found that she captured what was going through the mind of the slave very well ,,,that fear,yet that wanting ,,,,pushing forward with only the thought to please Him/Her"
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
"see i find the toughest part of a r/l meeting is finding out things you cant see online..the habits quirks..the things that one will never know about.."
".for can one ever truly be as they are on line..for the online realm looks at a person through a written communication..rather then a face to face encounter where the total picture comes into focus..."
""i think that alot of ones that meet always say that it was wonderful !!!!!! and they never say well it was great BUT this or that went wrong or was disappointing...so i told Master lets be open about O/our meeting.
""many who do meet real life..i dont think they want to admit if somthing was bad...for maybe in there mind..they want the whole thing to be absolutly wonderful..for who does want to talk about something bad..or the mistakes they may have made..with everyone else?"
"""i think that the first meeting you should have seperate rooms.......and NO love making or scening for at least the first day......i think it should be agreed upon in advance. That then gives the sub a chance to gain her footing
Topic:BDSM in Movies, and Literature
"Robin Hood Prince of Thieves"....
"in the case of the movie ... slave is more broad ... serfdom....
she was indeed free...however for that time period and for her position...her freedom...had to be slavery..."
"she is not slave is BDSM sense ... but in her position in life"
no at those times and the way tis portryaed there was only slavery o say no ment that you were going against the Kings wishes and those who served him well,,,all subjects of the King was subjected to slavery it was the terms of their existance"
it made no diffrence,,,man woman or child,,for movie purposes yes tis always a woman slave
this movie did not truly portray BDSM ... but a period in which slavery was the norm"
most movies are trying to say something about sexual obsession, and throw in a few convenient stereotypes to illustrate it"
i think hollywood portrys BDSM as the average vanilla peson expects it i do not think an average person knows what BDSM is except in the worst light and so not knowing any better they condemm it"
on the topic of the beauty series....i found that she captured what was going through the mind of the slave very well ,,,that fear,yet that wanting ,,,,pushing forward with only the thought to please Him/Her"
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
".for can one ever truly be as they are on line..for the online realm looks at a person through a written communication..rather then a face to face encounter where the total picture comes into focus..."
""i think that alot of ones that meet always say that it was wonderful !!!!!! and they never say well it was great BUT this or that went wrong or was disappointing...so i told Master lets be open about O/our meeting.
""many who do meet real life..i dont think they want to admit if somthing was bad...for maybe in there mind..they want the whole thing to be absolutly wonderful..for who does want to talk about something bad..or the mistakes they may have made..with everyone else?"
"""i think that the first meeting you should have seperate rooms.......and NO love making or scening for at least the first day......i think it should be agreed upon in advance. That then gives the sub a chance to gain her footing
Topic:BDSM in Movies, and Literature
"Robin Hood Prince of Thieves"....
"in the case of the movie ... slave is more broad ... serfdom....
she was indeed free...however for that time period and for her position...her freedom...had to be slavery..."
"she is not slave is BDSM sense ... but in her position in life"
no at those times and the way tis portryaed there was only slavery o say no ment that you were going against the Kings wishes and those who served him well,,,all subjects of the King was subjected to slavery it was the terms of their existance"
it made no diffrence,,,man woman or child,,for movie purposes yes tis always a woman slave
this movie did not truly portray BDSM ... but a period in which slavery was the norm"
most movies are trying to say something about sexual obsession, and throw in a few convenient stereotypes to illustrate it"
i think hollywood portrys BDSM as the average vanilla peson expects it i do not think an average person knows what BDSM is except in the worst light and so not knowing any better they condemm it"
on the topic of the beauty series....i found that she captured what was going through the mind of the slave very well ,,,that fear,yet that wanting ,,,,pushing forward with only the thought to please Him/Her"
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
""i think that alot of ones that meet always say that it was wonderful !!!!!! and they never say well it was great BUT this or that went wrong or was disappointing...so i told Master lets be open about O/our meeting.
""many who do meet real life..i dont think they want to admit if somthing was bad...for maybe in there mind..they want the whole thing to be absolutly wonderful..for who does want to talk about something bad..or the mistakes they may have made..with everyone else?"
"""i think that the first meeting you should have seperate rooms.......and NO love making or scening for at least the first day......i think it should be agreed upon in advance. That then gives the sub a chance to gain her footing
Topic:BDSM in Movies, and Literature
"Robin Hood Prince of Thieves"....
"in the case of the movie ... slave is more broad ... serfdom....
she was indeed free...however for that time period and for her position...her freedom...had to be slavery..."
"she is not slave is BDSM sense ... but in her position in life"
no at those times and the way tis portryaed there was only slavery o say no ment that you were going against the Kings wishes and those who served him well,,,all subjects of the King was subjected to slavery it was the terms of their existance"
it made no diffrence,,,man woman or child,,for movie purposes yes tis always a woman slave
this movie did not truly portray BDSM ... but a period in which slavery was the norm"
most movies are trying to say something about sexual obsession, and throw in a few convenient stereotypes to illustrate it"
i think hollywood portrys BDSM as the average vanilla peson expects it i do not think an average person knows what BDSM is except in the worst light and so not knowing any better they condemm it"
on the topic of the beauty series....i found that she captured what was going through the mind of the slave very well ,,,that fear,yet that wanting ,,,,pushing forward with only the thought to please Him/Her"
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
""many who do meet real life..i dont think they want to admit if somthing was bad...for maybe in there mind..they want the whole thing to be absolutly wonderful..for who does want to talk about something bad..or the mistakes they may have made..with everyone else?"
"""i think that the first meeting you should have seperate rooms.......and NO love making or scening for at least the first day......i think it should be agreed upon in advance. That then gives the sub a chance to gain her footing
Topic:BDSM in Movies, and Literature
"Robin Hood Prince of Thieves"....
"in the case of the movie ... slave is more broad ... serfdom....
she was indeed free...however for that time period and for her position...her freedom...had to be slavery..."
"she is not slave is BDSM sense ... but in her position in life"
no at those times and the way tis portryaed there was only slavery o say no ment that you were going against the Kings wishes and those who served him well,,,all subjects of the King was subjected to slavery it was the terms of their existance"
it made no diffrence,,,man woman or child,,for movie purposes yes tis always a woman slave
this movie did not truly portray BDSM ... but a period in which slavery was the norm"
most movies are trying to say something about sexual obsession, and throw in a few convenient stereotypes to illustrate it"
i think hollywood portrys BDSM as the average vanilla peson expects it i do not think an average person knows what BDSM is except in the worst light and so not knowing any better they condemm it"
on the topic of the beauty series....i found that she captured what was going through the mind of the slave very well ,,,that fear,yet that wanting ,,,,pushing forward with only the thought to please Him/Her"
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
"""i think that the first meeting you should have seperate rooms.......and NO love making or scening for at least the first day......i think it should be agreed upon in advance. That then gives the sub a chance to gain her footing
Topic:BDSM in Movies, and Literature
"Robin Hood Prince of Thieves"....
"in the case of the movie ... slave is more broad ... serfdom....
she was indeed free...however for that time period and for her position...her freedom...had to be slavery..."
"she is not slave is BDSM sense ... but in her position in life"
no at those times and the way tis portryaed there was only slavery o say no ment that you were going against the Kings wishes and those who served him well,,,all subjects of the King was subjected to slavery it was the terms of their existance"
it made no diffrence,,,man woman or child,,for movie purposes yes tis always a woman slave
this movie did not truly portray BDSM ... but a period in which slavery was the norm"
most movies are trying to say something about sexual obsession, and throw in a few convenient stereotypes to illustrate it"
i think hollywood portrys BDSM as the average vanilla peson expects it i do not think an average person knows what BDSM is except in the worst light and so not knowing any better they condemm it"
on the topic of the beauty series....i found that she captured what was going through the mind of the slave very well ,,,that fear,yet that wanting ,,,,pushing forward with only the thought to please Him/Her"
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
Topic:BDSM in Movies, and Literature
"Robin Hood Prince of Thieves"....
"in the case of the movie ... slave is more broad ... serfdom....
she was indeed free...however for that time period and for her position...her freedom...had to be slavery..."
"she is not slave is BDSM sense ... but in her position in life"
no at those times and the way tis portryaed there was only slavery o say no ment that you were going against the Kings wishes and those who served him well,,,all subjects of the King was subjected to slavery it was the terms of their existance"
it made no diffrence,,,man woman or child,,for movie purposes yes tis always a woman slave
this movie did not truly portray BDSM ... but a period in which slavery was the norm"
most movies are trying to say something about sexual obsession, and throw in a few convenient stereotypes to illustrate it"
i think hollywood portrys BDSM as the average vanilla peson expects it i do not think an average person knows what BDSM is except in the worst light and so not knowing any better they condemm it"
on the topic of the beauty series....i found that she captured what was going through the mind of the slave very well ,,,that fear,yet that wanting ,,,,pushing forward with only the thought to please Him/Her"
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
"Robin Hood Prince of Thieves"....
"in the case of the movie ... slave is more broad ... serfdom....
she was indeed free...however for that time period and for her position...her freedom...had to be slavery..."
"she is not slave is BDSM sense ... but in her position in life"
no at those times and the way tis portryaed there was only slavery o say no ment that you were going against the Kings wishes and those who served him well,,,all subjects of the King was subjected to slavery it was the terms of their existance"
it made no diffrence,,,man woman or child,,for movie purposes yes tis always a woman slave
this movie did not truly portray BDSM ... but a period in which slavery was the norm"
most movies are trying to say something about sexual obsession, and throw in a few convenient stereotypes to illustrate it"
i think hollywood portrys BDSM as the average vanilla peson expects it i do not think an average person knows what BDSM is except in the worst light and so not knowing any better they condemm it"
on the topic of the beauty series....i found that she captured what was going through the mind of the slave very well ,,,that fear,yet that wanting ,,,,pushing forward with only the thought to please Him/Her"
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
she was indeed free...however for that time period and for her position...her freedom...had to be slavery..."
"she is not slave is BDSM sense ... but in her position in life"
no at those times and the way tis portryaed there was only slavery o say no ment that you were going against the Kings wishes and those who served him well,,,all subjects of the King was subjected to slavery it was the terms of their existance"
it made no diffrence,,,man woman or child,,for movie purposes yes tis always a woman slave
this movie did not truly portray BDSM ... but a period in which slavery was the norm"
most movies are trying to say something about sexual obsession, and throw in a few convenient stereotypes to illustrate it"
i think hollywood portrys BDSM as the average vanilla peson expects it i do not think an average person knows what BDSM is except in the worst light and so not knowing any better they condemm it"
on the topic of the beauty series....i found that she captured what was going through the mind of the slave very well ,,,that fear,yet that wanting ,,,,pushing forward with only the thought to please Him/Her"
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
no at those times and the way tis portryaed there was only slavery o say no ment that you were going against the Kings wishes and those who served him well,,,all subjects of the King was subjected to slavery it was the terms of their existance"
it made no diffrence,,,man woman or child,,for movie purposes yes tis always a woman slave
this movie did not truly portray BDSM ... but a period in which slavery was the norm"
most movies are trying to say something about sexual obsession, and throw in a few convenient stereotypes to illustrate it"
i think hollywood portrys BDSM as the average vanilla peson expects it i do not think an average person knows what BDSM is except in the worst light and so not knowing any better they condemm it"
on the topic of the beauty series....i found that she captured what was going through the mind of the slave very well ,,,that fear,yet that wanting ,,,,pushing forward with only the thought to please Him/Her"
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
it made no diffrence,,,man woman or child,,for movie purposes yes tis always a woman slave
this movie did not truly portray BDSM ... but a period in which slavery was the norm"
most movies are trying to say something about sexual obsession, and throw in a few convenient stereotypes to illustrate it"
i think hollywood portrys BDSM as the average vanilla peson expects it i do not think an average person knows what BDSM is except in the worst light and so not knowing any better they condemm it"
on the topic of the beauty series....i found that she captured what was going through the mind of the slave very well ,,,that fear,yet that wanting ,,,,pushing forward with only the thought to please Him/Her"
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
this movie did not truly portray BDSM ... but a period in which slavery was the norm"
most movies are trying to say something about sexual obsession, and throw in a few convenient stereotypes to illustrate it"
i think hollywood portrys BDSM as the average vanilla peson expects it i do not think an average person knows what BDSM is except in the worst light and so not knowing any better they condemm it"
on the topic of the beauty series....i found that she captured what was going through the mind of the slave very well ,,,that fear,yet that wanting ,,,,pushing forward with only the thought to please Him/Her"
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
most movies are trying to say something about sexual obsession, and throw in a few convenient stereotypes to illustrate it"
i think hollywood portrys BDSM as the average vanilla peson expects it i do not think an average person knows what BDSM is except in the worst light and so not knowing any better they condemm it"
on the topic of the beauty series....i found that she captured what was going through the mind of the slave very well ,,,that fear,yet that wanting ,,,,pushing forward with only the thought to please Him/Her"
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
i think hollywood portrys BDSM as the average vanilla peson expects it i do not think an average person knows what BDSM is except in the worst light and so not knowing any better they condemm it"
on the topic of the beauty series....i found that she captured what was going through the mind of the slave very well ,,,that fear,yet that wanting ,,,,pushing forward with only the thought to please Him/Her"
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
on the topic of the beauty series....i found that she captured what was going through the mind of the slave very well ,,,that fear,yet that wanting ,,,,pushing forward with only the thought to please Him/Her"
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
no matter what you had to endure,,yes it was a simple read however ,,really submission is instictual,,is simple,,the craving and need to please is basic,,,tis how far we take it that is complex
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
Beauty was indeed a slave......but and interesting question is....it was "forced slavery" but in the forced slavery she finally submitted..and others in the training of it..turned out to be Dom/mes or slaves themselves.....they were all in the Domminat postion of pirnces and princess my question is...did that help with there positions
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
Beauty was "forced" but twas something that the Prince seen deep inside her one could argue for it was her that forced the hand so that she would be sent to the village,,to find sek the discpline the firm sweet torture her soul craved
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
books allow for the reader and the writer to go in depth,,,and if one is every done properly could be a wonderful teaching tool,,but society even in the life crave sensationalism"
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
Topic:Sub Vs Slave (July 14,1999)
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
a common yet agreeable definition is that a sub has rights and a slave has none....
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
slave and sub are often used interchangeably
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
abuse is in the eyes of the beholder - what is abuse to some maybe love to others
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
Gor is also not the only slave content there is...just the one most discussed
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
There is gor and there is online gor...there is BDSM and there is online bdsm...These are very different from each other. Online bdsm is not BDSM
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
just because one may be new to the r/l aspect doesnt make them any less of a sub/slave...for it is within
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
is slavery nothing more then abuse..for i think Real Life slaves are just those whom have such low self esteem that they cannot make discisions on self..and rather then consensually giving it up as a gift it is taken away from them and they yield to a Dom/mes"
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
there is many forms of slavery in other cultures..and that is no way near consensual.........but for the BDSM slave....wonders if that is truly consensual or not
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
true submission comes only in r/l, subbie cannot experience true and complete submission in online relationship only"
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
Slavery in real life is physical confinement wheras in online it is emotional... BDSM is an emotional expereince in both realms
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
a sub can be a slave for a sub whom is truly devoted to a Master knows that a Master would not harm the sub..and would do anything..but a slave no matter what will do anything wheter they like it or not.."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
say a sub is put in a situation where they must "fuck" ever single person in the room..at a party...a sub would sure as hell say no way..but a slave..although may not want to do it..would yield and do it"
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
but BDSM slavery is not by force...is consenual
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
how can one give up being free..totally without some form of low self esteem, brainwashing ect...for one cant give up all there rights completly and totally...unless they know the dom would never place them in a dangerous situation...that goes back to my point that a sub can be a slave..but a slave can not be a sub
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
Topic:Long Distant BDSM Relationships (July 7,1999)
both parties renting the same movie and watching them at the same time..."
try surfing the web together while talking on pager or icq
a L/D relationship is hard no matter what you do,,because you are always longing for thier touch,,,a hug..a real smile..to see an expression on their face..."
caught up in the fantasy..that is the problem with on line..for there are so many here that are just in the fantasy aspect of it.."
has seen some who ignore everything to be here their children husbands wives jobs everything to be here"
a problem can come about when the relationship begins as online only..agreed by both parties... and, then, over time one decides it should be real but the other doesn't agree
just thought of another way to be closer to Him..get an elastic band.. just tight enough to go around my wrist... and to wear it when I needed Him and He was not here.... it would be His arms around me... I loved that elastic so much"
go to Victoria's secret wet site and order a corset or whatever... one that He choses.. or other pieces of intimate aparell
Topic:Children and BDSM (June 30, 1999)
" many times web sites to educate children for BDSM is 18 or 21...but yet sexual peaks start at around age 14...my question is..should this topic be taught to those younger?"
I feel that the subject does not have to be hidden from children.... but like any choices in sex... let the child pick their own course.. make their own sexual development, at their own pace"
As a parent.. we are not to make choices for them, or guide them.. but answer their questions.. in a healthy manner"
ya gotta be truthful I think.......and the hard part is trying to explain the difference between BDSM activities, and abuse.......particularly as every study shows that kids who are "exposed" to abuse are more likely to abuse."
....it is still in the halls of the schools where kids learn life"
I think there is a strong connection between being abused.. and accepting control...and I don't know if this is necessarily healthy
how does a child react to that...i mean..they are bound to see one side dominant....are [kids] brought up in view the that male or female is automatically dominant and must be subservient?"
that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which existed before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
your bdsm is not my bdsm
I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of their minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
on the question of whether doors should be locked during scenes.. ""No... your door should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the child’s distorted views of parents BDSM scenes
I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Quick note about this meeting it was never established what one would say or do to children if they "catch" parents during scenes. If anyone has any ideas would love to hear them.
Topic: BDSM And/Vs Religion (June 23, 1999)
"Religion is a submission of oneself…submitting yourself to a higher (dominant) power…it is a submission to a set of ideals, beliefs and doctrines."
"there are similarities to worshipping a Master and idol, giving oneself completely and totally."
"is there really a standard set by any religion, with so many variations each allowing personal beliefs to govern their thoughts and actions.
"I think of any lifestyle as a sort of religion because of all them affect how one lives day to day."
"I think to a certain extent the alternative religions are reaching out to all things alternative, all things depised by the standard western religions"
"breaking the walls of society that taught about sex are prone to break the walls of what society taught about religion as well.
"Eastern religions are more process focused, on the journey to enlightenment. Western religion cares only about the final resting place of the soul."
"for many years religion was used as a political tool and western religions focused on repression of the masses."
on the topic of the Spanish Inquisition.."It is my understanding that S&M is about pleasure. It is about mutual exploration of pain and domination..and just how mutual was the inquisition..it was about religious purification."
"perhaps the Inquisition was more for the sadistics pleasure and not for the "whippee""
"In my opinion, throwing virgins to appease the Volcano God is perfectly acceptable as long as you find devout virgins willing to submit for their beliefs…but the moment free will is cross..i have to say that religion is stepping across acceptable boundaries."
slavery it seems is complete and total surrender of all regardless of personal safety and well being, seems a little crazy to me
